Tiberius Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 16 hours ago, njbuff said: Why aren't FISA judges outraged by the frauds committed right in front of their faces? Are they in on the FISA frauds as well? Maybe they don't watch the lies on Fox news? Maybe they just did what they always do and follow the law and don't sit back and worry if Trump will be angry because of that? The FISA thing to total propaganda BS you guys are eating
transplantbillsfan Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 21 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Oh for *****'s sake. "Collusion" isn't a legal thing, there is only conspiracy. Read the report, he explicitly explains this right above the quoted portions. Attaboy... maybe now you'll get it 21 minutes ago, Koko78 said: As for the rest of the report being an "indictment", legally dubious novel prosecution theories are not anything. Not anything? Then why did Mueller explicitly state he couldn't exonerate him AND state that a large part of this report and process was for the sake of preserving evidence AND specifically bring up the impeachment process for congress?
row_33 Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 i don't believe Barr was lying but if he was all day long, then i'm three times more proud of his excellent performance
3rdnlng Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Attaboy... maybe now you'll get it Not anything? Then why did Mueller explicitly state he couldn't exonerate him AND state that a large part of this report and process was for the sake of preserving evidence AND specifically bring up the impeachment process for congress? Please provide a link.
Deranged Rhino Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Attaboy... maybe now you'll get it Will you though? Who started using collusion first as a buzzword -- hint, it wasn't Trump. Just like Trump wasn't the one who started the trend of using the term Fake News. It was the media -- specifically the coup plotters who were working with the media who started using collusion early because they knew it was a legally meaningless -- thus flexible enough to cover all matter of sin -- word. Why would the media try to play word games with their readership/viewership if they were really concerned with protecting the country or informing the populace? Because they were lying. It's always been a lie. It's always been a coup. 19 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Not anything? Then why did Mueller explicitly state he couldn't exonerate him AND state that a large part of this report and process was for the sake of preserving evidence AND specifically bring up the impeachment process for congress? He didn't. 2
Deranged Rhino Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 Link to the criminal referral for Nellie Ohr (again, it's from Congress, not the DOJ so it's just a referral not an indictment) https://www.scribd.com/document/408347748/Final-Criminal-Referral-Nellie-Ohr-5-1-19 1 1
Koko78 Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 29 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Will you though? Who started using collusion first as a buzzword -- hint, it wasn't Trump. Just like Trump wasn't the one who started the trend of using the term Fake News. It was the media -- specifically the coup plotters who were working with the media who started using collusion early because they knew it was a legally meaningless -- thus flexible enough to cover all matter of sin -- word. Why would the media try to play word games with their readership/viewership if they were really concerned with protecting the country or informing the populace? Because they were lying. It's always been a lie. It's always been a coup. He didn't. What the NPC dipschiff is refusing to understand (because he will not read the report, only regurgitate what he's being told about it) is that Mueller explicitly states that he interpreted 'collusion' and 'conspiracy' as being the same thing, because 'collusion' does not exist as a legal concept, while 'conspiracy' best describes what the accusations are. Oh, then finds there was no 'conspiracy', and thus, no 'collusion'. 50 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Attaboy... maybe now you'll get it All I'm getting is that you are a disingenuous moron who is not here to be honest or to approach anything that can be considered critical thinking. 5 1 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 11 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: The report and that passage itself establishes Mueller didn't find criminal conspiracy. It says nothing about collusion. That report is such an indictment on Trump that if this were a few decades ago, we'd have begun the impeachment process already. But this is the whole point, isn't it? Trump and Faux News have brilliantly twisted the narrative around over the last couple years or so. So much so that no one really knows their position on anything. Trump really has one news station that spins a yarn so often of an alternative universe along with a bunch of feeble minded Republican Senators for being able to serve out the full 4 years he'll get. Doesn't matter to me though. So many atrocious precedents have been set by Republicans over the last 8 years... none of this is surprising. Just gotta endure just 19+ more months of Trump. I'm glad it doesn't matter to you. It shouldn't. You'll survive the Trump presidency, in fact you'll likely thrive relative to most other admins. Just send any extra dough to the socialists. People who struggle with an administration or political party in power need only look at the history of the country to see that over time, things change. During the last gloabalist regime, there were tens of millions of ordinary Americans frustrated with the redistributive tendencies of that group, of the approach that can best be described as "America, maybe, if there is anything left", the billions to Iran in 1s, 5s and 20s, the cluster#### that was Libya and the Benghazi lie (spun, ironically, to influence the outcome of an election), the elevation of run-of-the-mill criminals to martyr status (brown, michael) while tearing down the million plus members of the law enforcement community because of the actions of the few. That was before the Obama admin was revealed to be corrupt to the core, or at least before the knowledge was mainstream. Those people patiently waited for an opportunity to cast their vote for change, did so (often while holding their collective noses knowing full well things might go sideways) and, incredibly, they carried the day. That day really epitomized "America, The beautiful." even for the Trump haters I the general public, they just don't know it. You'll have the opportunity to effect such a change and if you're right, you and those who believe as you do can return us to a kindle, gentler time when a groper, grabber and racist old guy can deliver us back to establishment politics. Or maybe you and those who believe as you do for hope Nd change can deliver us to a Harris, or a Booker or a Sanders who celebrates the steady march of power away from the individual to a place where it converges in Washington, DC where they know more how to keep us all in check. Hell, as you march slack-jawed and dull-eyed along with them, perhaps you'll pass the monument they will build to those that so valiantly and bravely co-opted our department of justice to steal the first election ever, emboldened and heartened by the fact that while the massive investigation lead to 0.00 charges against the president and his circles on the fundamental issues of treason against the US. They'll be thrilled to see average folks like you out taking victory laps about the big reveal party thrown by Obama-Mueller Inc yelling at the tops of their lungs "See?? Nothing came of it all and that proves EVERYTHING!". Just like a cult leader needs malleable minds to shape, every corrupt politician needs an ordinary voter to dupe. Or, they did until the Russia investigation Trump narrative allowed them the opportunity to do it behind closed doors. Anyway, one point worthy of mentioning. Post here, post often and I for one will read what you have to say. If you bring something of value, it can change minds. No hard feelings on all this, but to throw the Rachel Maddow-esque "Faux News" is weak. It'll work in a grocery store or at a dinner party with a well-mannered Trump supporter not interested in arguing with a crazy------though a while I back I had a whopper of an interaction with a lefty who got increasingly agitated to the point of becoming unhinged while I simply offered a different opinion--but in this forum, there are thousands of citations and sources from many different places, 98% of which have nothing to do with "Faux News", which by the way doesn't at all do what you've been lead to believe it does. You should go deeper than that to defend the coup-plotters, if that's your game. Respect the process. 2 1 2 1
snafu Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Link to the criminal referral for Nellie Ohr (again, it's from Congress, not the DOJ so it's just a referral not an indictment) https://www.scribd.com/document/408347748/Final-Criminal-Referral-Nellie-Ohr-5-1-19 Of all the transcripts Doug Collins released, hers absolutely struck me as the most evasive and squirrely. 2
Deranged Rhino Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 Just now, snafu said: Of all the transcripts Doug Collins released, hers absolutely struck me as the most evasive and squirrely. Agreed. Spooks are spooky that way.
Foxx Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 13 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: The report and that passage itself establishes Mueller didn't find criminal conspiracy. It says nothing about collusion. That report is such an indictment on Trump that if this were a few decades ago, we'd have begun the impeachment process already. But this is the whole point, isn't it? Trump and Faux News have brilliantly twisted the narrative around over the last couple years or so. So much so that no one really knows their position on anything. Trump really has one news station that spins a yarn so often of an alternative universe along with a bunch of feeble minded Republican Senators for being able to serve out the full 4 years he'll get. Doesn't matter to me though. So many atrocious precedents have been set by Republicans over the last 8 years... none of this is surprising. Just gotta endure just 19+ more months of Trump. whole lotta ignorance in this post. 1 1
DC Tom Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 Just now, Foxx said: whole lotta ignorance in this post. And racism. 1
3rdnlng Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 25 minutes ago, Foxx said: whole lotta ignorance in this post. Take it easy on the poor boy, he doesn't know what is illegal and what is not. He gets easily confused because of his TDS. He's a teacher for Heaven's sake, which is almost like being a God. Did you know that he had 2 of his second grade students accepted to Harvard? 3
IDBillzFan Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 It's like the Dems are BEGGING for Trump to get re-elected. 1
B-Man Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 11 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: It's like the Dems are BEGGING for Trump to get re-elected. REP COHEN BRINGS KFC AND RUBBER CHICKEN TO HEARING AFTER BARR DECLINES INVITATION. Why, it’s like Bill Barr is the adult in the room, or something.............. . 1
row_33 Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 42 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: It's like the Dems are BEGGING for Trump to get re-elected. and another million will now vote for Trump in 2020
Foxx Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 Sperry is tweeting up a storm today. https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1124036387236397057 3 1
Deranged Rhino Posted May 3, 2019 Posted May 3, 2019 Remember, Campbell is Comey's special assistant, he's deeply involved in all of this (which is why he got a cushy job at CNN so he could spin stories just like this) Campbell is not a good guy. He's not a patriot. He's a seditious traitor of the lowest order. 2
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