TC in St. Louis Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 I'm terrified that this has already been discussed. A few years ago, we had the third pick in the draft, and selected Marcel Dareus. Here are the other players chosen at the top of that round: Cam Newton, Von Miller, AJ Green, Patrick Peterson, Julio Jones. JJ Watt was drafted #11. Dareus was a monster talent with an inconsistent effort. Dareus was handed a 100 million dollar contract, and a couple years later was traded. Never lived up to his draft position or his contract. He went to Alabama, surrounded by 5 star talent. Same as Q. Williams. Sometimes I think the backups at Alabama turn out better than the starters. We have 2 of them. Levi Wallace and Robert Foster. Alabama is the Duke/Kentucky of football. The bench players would become stars at Missouri or Arkansas or Boston College. I guess this is two threads. Although Q. Williams may seem to be the most dominant DL in the draft, because he is from Alabama he might not be all that. Reminds me of Reggie Ragland and Shaq Lawson.....stars at top programs and not stars in pro football. Give me Ed Oliver, Josh Allen, or Montez Sweat. 4
Logic Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 The good news is that at pick 9, I doubt he'll be the Bills' problem to worry about! 5
2003Contenders Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 They were both stud defensive linemen coming out of Alabama. The similarities end there. Dareus had some focus/maturity issues even before his contract extension. 4
Gugny Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 I know I'm in the minority with this opinion, but I think Dareus earned his money whilst in Buffalo. 9 1 1
billsbackto81 Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said: They were both stud defensive linemen coming out of Alabama. The similarities end there. Dareus had some focus/maturity issues even before his contract extension. Dareus is the pro I've seen most compared to Williams by many pundits. Oliver because of similar size and attributes has been compared to a John Randle type.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 (edited) On 4/8/2019 at 12:02 PM, TC in St. Louis said: I'm terrified that this has already been discussed. A few years ago, we had the third pick in the draft, and selected Marcel Dareus. Here are the other players chosen at the top of that round: Cam Newton, Von Miller, AJ Green, Patrick Peterson, Julio Jones. JJ Watt was drafted #11. Dareus was a monster talent with an inconsistent effort. Dareus was handed a 100 million dollar contract, and a couple years later was traded. Never lived up to his draft position or his contract. He went to Alabama, surrounded by 5 star talent. Same as Q. Williams. Sometimes I think the backups at Alabama turn out better than the starters. We have 2 of them. Levi Wallace and Robert Foster. Alabama is the Duke/Kentucky of football. The bench players would become stars at Missouri or Arkansas or Boston College. I guess this is two threads. Although Q. Williams may seem to be the most dominant DL in the draft, because he is from Alabama he might not be all that. Reminds me of Reggie Ragland and Shaq Lawson.....stars at top programs and not stars in pro football. Give me Ed Oliver, Josh Allen, or Montez Sweat. Dareus was absolutely a star in pro football while he was on his rookie deal. He just seemed to become less motivated after 95 mil. Also he was schematically marginalized by Wrecks. Edit: So so I guess it could’ve happen to the collage kid from Houston too. But that seems different somehow Edited April 10, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood Realization 1
RyanC883 Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 I'd take Oliver over Williams. I think he'll be a better pro, and continually faced double and triple teams. Now, there is the issue that he went up against worse talent than Williams. But I do not think Williams will be the "bust" Dareus was. Marcell was good his first year, then got lazy, and had issues pre-draft. Williams does not have those issues. I think both Williams and Oliver will be great, with the slight edge to Oliver--who could be going #1 if not for an injury this year. 1
ghostwriter Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 Don't think so. His mom died and he still dominated. Wouldn't hesitate to take him. I think he's arguably the best player in the draft, certainly top 3. Bosa and Allen are incredible but so is QW.
Jauronimo Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 33 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said: I'm terrified that this has already been discussed. A few years ago, we had the third pick in the draft, and selected Marcel Dareus. Here are the other players chosen at the top of that round: Cam Newton, Von Miller, AJ Green, Patrick Peterson, Julio Jones. JJ Watt was drafted #11. Dareus was a monster talent with an inconsistent effort. Dareus was handed a 100 million dollar contract, and a couple years later was traded. Never lived up to his draft position or his contract. He went to Alabama, surrounded by 5 star talent. Same as Q. Williams. Sometimes I think the backups at Alabama turn out better than the starters. We have 2 of them. Levi Wallace and Robert Foster. Alabama is the Duke/Kentucky of football. The bench players would become stars at Missouri or Arkansas or Boston College. I guess this is two threads. Although Q. Williams may seem to be the most dominant DL in the draft, because he is from Alabama he might not be all that. Reminds me of Reggie Ragland and Shaq Lawson.....stars at top programs and not stars in pro football. Give me Ed Oliver, Josh Allen, or Montez Sweat. Is there any reason whatsoever to think Q. Williams will be a monster on his rookie deal, get a big money contract poorly structured with regard to personal conduct, then struggle due to a combination of family tragedy, immaturity, and an unfavorable scheme resulting in him being traded for peanuts? 1 3
glazeduck Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Don't think so. His mom died and he still dominated. Wouldn't hesitate to take him. I think he's arguably the best player in the draft, certainly top 3. Bosa and Allen are incredible but so is QW. A lot of respected NFL people think he's the best DT to come out since Warren Sapp... But sure, let's take an undersized DT who struggled to dominate in the AAC... 1
Augie Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 28 minutes ago, Gugny said: I know I'm in the minority with this opinion, but I think Dareus earned his money whilst in Buffalo. You are correct. You are indeed in the minority. ? 4 3
ghostwriter Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 1 minute ago, glazeduck said: A lot of respected NFL people think he's the best DT to come out since Warren Sapp... But sure, let's take an undersized DT who struggled to dominate in the AAC... I like them both. Wouldn't hesitate for either but deep down I want Hock, Taylor, Jonah or Marquise. Play with the position in which we take them as you wish, but those are the top guys I like.... My .01$.
DrDawkinstein Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 Ive said in other threads that Rashan Gary is the one who reminds me of Dareus, attitude-wise, and at least Dareus had college production to back up his pick. Watching Amazon's All or Nothing series on Michigan Football, Gary came off as an unmotivated player who could be distracted at the drop of a hat.
glazeduck Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 1 minute ago, NewDayBills said: I like them both. Wouldn't hesitate for either but deep down I want Hock, Taylor, Jonah or Marquise. Play with the position in which we take them as you wish, but those are the top guys I like.... My .01$. I like a lot of those guys too... I think we're starting to see why the Bills better hope QBs go early. We're in a little bit of no-man's land at 9 if they don't... It's unequivocally too early for Hock or any TE -- same with Marquise, or likely any WR -- Taylor might be gone, Jonah might be a guard (which we no longer need as desperately)... If QBs go early, I think there's a distinct chance that Quinnen could fall far enough that he'd be gettable without throwing in the kitchen sink. If they don't, I'm definitely down with the idea of trading down, if not, I'm starting to embrace the idea of swinging for the fences... Sweat or DK should be there and at that point, probably pose the biggest potential impact on the roster going forward...
Toesy Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 Another thing is that Dareus had serious weight problems-at one point he had a giant gut and looked to be over 350 for sure (way over his listed weight)-he lost agility and speed naturally because of this. People forget that these college players are very young guys and some of them have way out of whack metabolisms which naturally get worse as they get older-even while working out like crazy they are always close to becoming really fat almost overnight.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 46 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said: I'm terrified that this has already been discussed. A few years ago, we had the third pick in the draft, and selected Marcel Dareus. Here are the other players chosen at the top of that round: Cam Newton, Von Miller, AJ Green, Patrick Peterson, Julio Jones. JJ Watt was drafted #11. Dareus was a monster talent with an inconsistent effort. Dareus was handed a 100 million dollar contract, and a couple years later was traded. Never lived up to his draft position or his contract. He went to Alabama, surrounded by 5 star talent. Same as Q. Williams. Sometimes I think the backups at Alabama turn out better than the starters. We have 2 of them. Levi Wallace and Robert Foster. Alabama is the Duke/Kentucky of football. The bench players would become stars at Missouri or Arkansas or Boston College. I guess this is two threads. Although Q. Williams may seem to be the most dominant DL in the draft, because he is from Alabama he might not be all that. Reminds me of Reggie Ragland and Shaq Lawson.....stars at top programs and not stars in pro football. Give me Ed Oliver, Josh Allen, or Montez Sweat. Williams was a backup until this year and then he exploded. Dareus could have been a great player he just lacked the motivation to put in that kind of effort. Dont know about Williams personality enough to know how dedicated he is but he can flat out play, and if we draft him im sure McD feels he fits our culture.
ghostwriter Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, glazeduck said: I like a lot of those guys too... I think we're starting to see why the Bills better hope QBs go early. We're in a little bit of no-man's land at 9 if they don't... It's unequivocally too early for Hock or any TE -- same with Marquise, or likely any WR -- Taylor might be gone, Jonah might be a guard (which we no longer need as desperately)... If QBs go early, I think there's a distinct chance that Quinnen could fall far enough that he'd be gettable without throwing in the kitchen sink. If they don't, I'm definitely down with the idea of trading down, if not, I'm starting to embrace the idea of swinging for the fences... Sweat or DK should be there and at that point, probably pose the biggest potential impact on the roster going forward... Well, I adore Hockenson. I think he is a superb TE. One of the best I've seen since following the draft. There's a chance he goes before 9. He is likely a 1,000 yard guy.
Mat68 Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 A motivated Darues was special. Things happend on and off the field that has kept him from matching that form again. He didn't get a 100 mil contract because Whaley wanted to burn money. Years 2, 3, 4 he was a fantastic player. No way to tell how a 25 year old man will handle 20 mil checks. 2
hjnick Posted April 8, 2019 Posted April 8, 2019 I think QW looks better as a prospect than when Darius came out. QW collapses the pocket.
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