Ty Dunne: What Happened in Green Bay

[Warcodered]

29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He did this one interview a few years ago  -  can’t remember which media outlet - and they made an innocuous comment about how height. He reacted very defensively and pissed. I need to look this up now. 

 

Edit: yup, here it is. It was 60 Minutes 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-is-very-sensitive-about-his-height-5957852/amp

Wow Jennings and Matthews sound like they're taking care of a toddler.

[racketmaster]

But I thought culture did  not matter lol

[BillyWhiteShows]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Super interesting in-depth article by Ty Dunne about the breakup of Aaron Rodgers and mike McCarthy in GB. Dunne covered the Packers before he covered the Bills (and has since moved on the national nfl coverage) so has some access within the organization 

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2828649-what-happened-in-green-bay

 

 

 

 

Saving this link....can’t wait to read

[KD in CA]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Well said.  Plenty of awful teams have good culture.  There are girl’s youth soccer teams that have good culture of drinking juice boxes after games that never score goals.  

 

Winning = culture 

 

Come on man, juice boxes are terrible.  Just sugar.

 

We bring those little oranges for the girls during halftime.

[eball]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

Did you read the whole Dunne article? It sure seems like it's more than just "QB becomes successful, QB gets big ego". He seems overly sensitive, petty, isolated, and refuses to accept blame for anything. Who knows if the article accurately represents Rodgers, but if it does, it paints him in a very negative light.

 

Don't stop him, he's on a roll...

[turftoe]

What Green Bay needs is someone who will conform to Aaron Rodgers' demands. You know, someone who smiles a lot and does what he is told. Enter Nathaniel Hackett.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

Did you read the whole Dunne article? It sure seems like it's more than just "QB becomes successful, QB gets big ego". He seems overly sensitive, petty, isolated, and refuses to accept blame for anything. Who knows if the article accurately represents Rodgers, but if it does, it paints him in a very negative light.

 

I always thought he was kind of a jerk from The Bachelorette of all things.  His brother was on the show - and his brother basically said... he doesn't talk to anyone in the family anymore.  And the worst part was that there wasn't like - a falling out moment like you would expect in something like that.  AR didn't appear on the show or anything - didn't defend himself based on what his brother/family said.  Really weird.

[LeGOATski]

Classic narcissism for Rodgers.

 

Classic self-righteousness for McCarthy.

 

Not a good mix.

[BigdaddyinOrlando]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

Don't stop him, he's on a roll...

Lol except you forgot:

Germans? Pearl Harbor?

[Doc]

3 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

do you have a recommended betting site?   I def want to bet over on Bills!

 

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[stuvian]

sounds like McCarthy should never be a HC again

[ThurmasThoman]

This is a really, really, really good article and I encourage everyone to read it.

It's so good, in fact, that it has me curious as to how the Packers will do this coming season, and I'm looking forward to seeing how they fare in week 1.

Which THEN got me thinking: a "fun" offseason activity for us NFL junkies--collecting the best story from every team that highlights the adversity the team is facing, and what's on the line for the coming season. What is the best article that you can find for, like, the Baltimore Ravens that (as a Buffalo Bills fan) would have you on the edge of your seat to see how their season goes? It would take some serious dedication--basically scanning their boards for the pieces like this Packers one, but every team has a story, and every team is has consequences for their performance. I would love to read an article like this about the Rams, or the Saints, or the Colts--something that gives a sense of urgency to clubs I normally don't care about!

And this article would DEFINITELY be numero uno for the Packers--I challenege ANY football fan to read this and then not be curious to see how the Pack do next year! I want to feel this way about the other 30 (not Buffalo!) teams in the league next year.

[GunnerBill]

Ty is a fantastic journalist. 

[ThurmasThoman]

2 hours ago, BringBackFlutie said:

Seems like a lot of people in this thread don't understand what culture means.  NE, for instance, has the strongest culture of any organization I've ever seen.

I agree with this whole heartedly.

Culture is something that you can't begin to appreciate until you work in a company that has a bad culture. It permeates every decision-it drains people. It leaves everyone questioning everything, but most importantly, they question their own self worth. Because NO ONE likes to think that they, themselves, are the problem, people try to work harder to overcome it, which eventually leads to burnout and resentment--then finger pointing and backstabbing. This can happen at ANY company, from a 7-11 to the Buffalo Bills. If you are or have been a middle manager, and you have worked for a place with a bad culture, you understand why sports teams fail on a level that entry level employees will simply never grasp. 

I'm not going to sit here and say it's Rogers or McCarthy's fault, because I don't follow the Packers. But I will say that fixing something like this can take years, and often times requires a full house cleaning. As hard as it might be to conceptualize, the Pack might be better off trading Rogers and starting from scratch. Maybe they go 11-5 next year and lose in the divisional round with him, and 4-12 without him, but longterm it might be their best bet.

But again--I don't know, because I'm not there. And I quoted you because YES, full stop YES, the Patriots have, bar none, the best culture in professional sports, not just the NFL. I know someone below you quoted their morality guru leaving as a sign of their demise, but no--culture is not tied to any one individual, or the morality of any particular person. That is what makes culture so magical--it transcends personality. People subjugate their own desires and benefits for the betterment of the whole, which in turn provides better opportunities for each individual, giving them a greater chance to be successful, which in turn creates a fertile ground for individual growth and sacrifice, which in turn leads to greater success. I mean--this isn't some wishy washy, new age foo foo talk--companies pay millions and millions of dollars to try to create it. All I can say is that in my limited time on this planet--it seems more like lightening in a bottle than specific, formulaic work. Some people just ***** "click" together and end up becoming the Beatles, or the Patriots, and it's magical--and some people have all the talent in the world, like Guns N Roses, or the Packers, and youre left asking "what could have been", because egos get in the way, or leadership is lacking, or Culture just isn't there to make it work.

This is just awesome, awesome stuff! Love the article, love the opinions!

[Toesy]

IMO Rodgers is the GOAT-other than drafting the guy, GB management has been pretty lousy his whole time there-it would bug anybody.

[BringBackFlutie]

58 minutes ago, JohnnyGold said:

I agree with this whole heartedly.

Culture is something that you can't begin to appreciate until you work in a company that has a bad culture. It permeates every decision-it drains people. It leaves everyone questioning everything, but most importantly, they question their own self worth. Because NO ONE likes to think that they, themselves, are the problem, people try to work harder to overcome it, which eventually leads to burnout and resentment--then finger pointing and backstabbing. This can happen at ANY company, from a 7-11 to the Buffalo Bills. If you are or have been a middle manager, and you have worked for a place with a bad culture, you understand why sports teams fail on a level that entry level employees will simply never grasp. 

I'm not going to sit here and say it's Rogers or McCarthy's fault, because I don't follow the Packers. But I will say that fixing something like this can take years, and often times requires a full house cleaning. As hard as it might be to conceptualize, the Pack might be better off trading Rogers and starting from scratch. Maybe they go 11-5 next year and lose in the divisional round with him, and 4-12 without him, but longterm it might be their best bet.

But again--I don't know, because I'm not there. And I quoted you because YES, full stop YES, the Patriots have, bar none, the best culture in professional sports, not just the NFL. I know someone below you quoted their morality guru leaving as a sign of their demise, but no--culture is not tied to any one individual, or the morality of any particular person. That is what makes culture so magical--it transcends personality. People subjugate their own desires and benefits for the betterment of the whole, which in turn provides better opportunities for each individual, giving them a greater chance to be successful, which in turn creates a fertile ground for individual growth and sacrifice, which in turn leads to greater success. I mean--this isn't some wishy washy, new age foo foo talk--companies pay millions and millions of dollars to try to create it. All I can say is that in my limited time on this planet--it seems more like lightening in a bottle than specific, formulaic work. Some people just ***** "click" together and end up becoming the Beatles, or the Patriots, and it's magical--and some people have all the talent in the world, like Guns N Roses, or the Packers, and youre left asking "what could have been", because egos get in the way, or leadership is lacking, or Culture just isn't there to make it work.

This is just awesome, awesome stuff! Love the article, love the opinions!

Yes.  This is what I was getting at.  Culture is not morality or honesty or whatever individual thing people come up with.  It's a common way of being, across an organization, that is not only inherently part of every employee's actions, but also understood by them.  Culture is so much closer to "what it means to be a Bill," than it is that "players here have good character."  I don't care if it's a team of scum bags; if everyone is on the same page, works together towards a goal, adhering to and believing in a system, doing what everyone else does and understanding why that's important, that's a good culture (although I hesitate to define it, since a good culture can be so so much more and come in different flavors).

Edited April 4, 2019 by BringBackFlutie

[ColoradoBills]

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8 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

in my opinion the GOAT QB.

ummmmmm, no

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 hours ago, Logic said:

Did you read the whole Dunne article? It sure seems like it's more than just "QB becomes successful, QB gets big ego". He seems overly sensitive, petty, isolated, and refuses to accept blame for anything. Who knows if the article accurately represents Rodgers, but if it does, it paints him in a very negative light.

....good observation bud and I agree.....hell he could be a BIGGER disruptive diva/pariah than Big Ben......

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Super interesting in-depth article by Ty Dunne about the breakup of Aaron Rodgers and mike McCarthy in GB. Dunne covered the Packers before he covered the Bills (and has since moved on the national nfl coverage) so has some access within the organization

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2828649-what-happened-in-green-bay

 

Wow.  Just Wow. 
 

Thanks for the find, Yolo

 

9 hours ago, whatdrought said:

Dang. Rodgers is a bit of an A-Hole....

 

What does these new revelations about Rodgers mean for the Favre - Rodgers relationship? Do we still believe the simple answer that Favre was a curmudgeonly old man?

 

Well.  It is reported that when Rodgers met Favre, he greeted him with "good morning, Grandpa!".  Rodgers denies this, but doesn't deny calling Favre "Grandpa" during their joint time in Green Bay.

 

You do the math