Last April's 'Bills Draft Josh Allen in RD 1' Thread Revisited

[Shaw66]

7 hours ago, Logic said:

Pretty much the same for me.

It's too early for me to say that you or I were COMPLETELY wrong and that Josh is a guaranteed success.

At the very least, I can say I'm glad he's a Bill, I'm glad the Bills picked him over Rosen, he's a hell of a leader and a hell of an exciting player to watch, and I think his chance to be a great QB outweigh his chances of being a total bust. His floor is much higher than I thought. His ceiling remains to be seen.

I didn't post in that thread.

 

My draft night list was Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Allen.   Then, when the Bills traded up, I thought to myself, "no, Allen.  Take Allen."  Not that I thought he'd be great.  I was disappointed we didn't get one of my first two, and I tended not to like either Josh.   At the last minute, I thought "I want the big guy, the big arm.  Maybe the Bills can teach him what he needs to know.   Rosen will never have a big arm."  

 

I felt a little better when I heard McBeane talk about him.  They sounded like they really wanted Allen, that they knew that he could be their horse.   But even then I didn't know what you've concluded, which essentially is his upside is better than his downside.  Ask me last June, and I wouldn't have said that.   

[rayray808]

can't wait for the "ESPN 30 for 30: we leaked the tweets - The Buffalo Bills draft Josh Allen story"

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

the best part of that thread is some idiot with over 11,000 posts actually changed their name to "WRONG JOSH".

 

????

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, rayray808 said:

can't wait for the "ESPN 30 for 30: we leaked the tweets - The Buffalo Bills draft Josh Allen story"

They’re just waiting for the right time to release the Ed Oliver photos from jr high. He sure does love horses. 

[Nihilarian]

2 hours ago, billspro said:

I think most people did, Allen had a ton to work on last year. I think I had a late second round grade on him last year as well. That is not to say he is a bad player, I think most people thought he had the highest upside of any QB in the class. The one thing that really stood out to me on film was his competitiveness (especially in the games against SD ST, Boise St, and BYU). I wasn’t betting against a guy with that competiteness even though I only gave him a second round grade. It was just hard to grade him higher with the limited production, but it was also hard to grade him because his oline and WRs were terrible. 

 

Luckily, I do believe we have a coaching staff that develops players, so we can take chances on guys like Allen. 

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Josh Allen had the highest ceiling and yet was considered by many a project QB that was supposed to sit and learn for a year like Patrick Mahomes. Yes, Allen had accuracy issues and concerns he was well aware of and started working on his issues right after his college season ended. 

 

Jordan Palmer started working with Allen and they worked on his biggest issue which was his footwork. Palmer stated he fixed his footwork but alas we all saw 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tIb-B4sGd8

 

 

It was Allen's backstory that was so impressive as after high school he was a 6'3'' 180lb scrawny kid with a big arm. With no football scholarships to a division one football program, he attended a junior college. After his first season in JC, he sent emails to every division one football college out there (over 1000) By this time he was 6'5'' 210 with a big arm. Only two colleges responded Eastern Michigan, Wyoming offered him a scholarship and once EM found out he visited Wyoming they rescinded their offer.

 

While at Wyoming he basically carried his team to a winning season and a bowl game win. Plus, Allen didn't play in a gimmie offense with short passes, bubble screens to pad his stats as he was in a pro-style deep passing scheme. Besides, anyone on offense who had touched the ball in 2016 was gone from the team in 2017. So basically Allen was dealing with a bunch of rookie receivers learning how to do their jobs. 

 

It's not just the off the charts physical intangibles, it's his competitiveness, his fire, his burning desire to win which is so infectious that it fires up his teammates. The kid is big, strong and has arguably the most powerful arm in the league. Allen played in the snow and cold at Wyoming so he should fit right into Buffalo's blue-collar town. What's not to love? 

 

 

[Virgil]

I had to go a few pages in to find my post.  I remember wanting to wait until I cooled off, so I didn’t post out of anger. 

 

I failed.  

 

How do you draft a guy who isn’t accurate and didn’t succeed against scrubs?!  He’s a QB!  Accuracy is prerequisite number 1!

 

I was so pissed off.  I couldn’t believe we traded up for him.  But then I told myself, after many drinks, he’s my QB now so hope for the best. 

 

Happy to be wrong 

Edited March 30, 2019 by Virgil

[CommonCents]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So to me the fact that he is a much better runner than I anticipated raised his floor. Because it means there are chain moving scenarios (3rd and medium type plays) where all of a sudden he can make a play without requiring a tight window throw. 

 

My analysis of Allen (and all the other QBs in last year's draft) from pre draft is still available on this board but broadly the reason I liked him less is I thought he was less accurate (not completion % - accuracy) than them and made fewer of the tight window mid range throws that move the sticks and win consistently in the NFL. 

 

I think there were encouraging signs in that regard in his rookie year but there is still a lot of room for improvement. I am hopeful we might have our guy. 

I dismissed Allen around the time of the combine because he had some atrocious stat against good competition. I can’t remember what it was but it was glaring. That fact was also followed up with Breer saying that Allen/Jackson were both rocks when asked to work the whiteboard at the combine. I hadn’t even watched much of him but I didn’t what any part of him.

 

Bandit made a case for Allen in a post and it caught my attention enough that I decided watching Wyoming reruns couldn’t hurt. From that day forward I was all aboard the Allen train. He has the “it” factor, many times he would perfectly place a ball to a spot, something we hadn’t seen around here since Kelly. 

 

Missing his running ability makes sense, that puts his floor at Randall Cunningham. Missing those passes is something I won’t understand with many folks. I remember urging people to watch and look for it. Reminds me of Big Ben, moves and can still anticipate the exact spot where the ball needs to be and nails it.

 

If he cleans up the short stuff he is going to be a star.

[Inigo Montoya]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I have never hid from the fact I didn't want Josh Allen. While I always thought his ceiling was sky high I thought his floor was rock bottom low. I confess I certainly underestimated his ability to move the chains with his legs which would have raised his floor (because it means he isn't have to force balls with questionable accuracy). That said even if I had better evaluated his legs it would have only bumped him up a round and to my QB5 in last year's draft. 

 

I feel much better about the pick now than I did then, but he still has a lot to improve on.

 

And as always.... I care much more about Buffalo winning than I do about being right. 

 

It's all a crap shoot.  We all make our best guess based on the information at hand.  I wanted Allen for no other reason than I thought he looked like a franchise QB, straight out of central casting.  I also liked the small town farm boy narrative.   (How's that for rigid scientific reasoning)  You probably watched forty hours of film on the guy and spoke to his second grade teacher.  If you end up being wrong about Allen (which would be a good thing as you've stated) who cares?  There are so many variables involved with a player's development all you can do is make an educated guess and see what happens.

 

In any event, I'm looking forward to your posts on this year's draft and your after game write ups during the season.   I always read your posts Gunner, you're one of the best posters on the board. You bring a steady, reasoned analysis and I appreciate it. 

[BringBackFergy]

11 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I found the worst take in the thread:

 

 

This one’s funnier. 

9 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I wanted JuJu and they traded up for Zay. I’m just saying. 

Link?? Just sayin. 

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Thanks for being a fan, it’s what keeps me going  

 

 

 

That being your main purpose here is very clear.  

 

As for me being a fan of yours............obviously not so much.........but your boring takes won't be clogging up the pages I'm reading any longer.

 

 

[downunderbill]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 Now let’s make out ????

 

Hey, calm down Tom Brady.

[formerlyofCtown]

Lol where are half the posters in that thread.  Must have changed their names because Rosen appeared so polished this past season.  One poster said "AZ only gave up a 3rd and a 5th, Beane did a bad job"  Now Rosen supposedly can be had for just a third Lol whos the idiot now.

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Um....ok?

 

LMAO - Guess today is my turn to face the ranting ramblings of Mr Bado

 

For someone who called me boring and bad today in another thread, you sure are following me quite a bit.

 

Thanks for being a fan, it’s what keeps me going  

 

 Now let’s make out ????

 

 

 

Is there a massage involved.

[formerlyofCtown]

11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I have never hid from the fact I didn't want Josh Allen. While I always thought his ceiling was sky high I thought his floor was rock bottom low. I confess I certainly underestimated his ability to move the chains with his legs which would have raised his floor (because it means he isn't have to force balls with questionable accuracy). That said even if I had better evaluated his legs it would have only bumped him up a round and to my QB5 in last year's draft. 

 

I feel much better about the pick now than I did then, but he still has a lot to improve on.

 

And as always.... I care much more about Buffalo winning than I do about being right. 

Wow that would be a terrible evaluation.  He was QB2 the whole time.  I have to wait for ABs best friend to retire before I see if my QB3 developes.  Darnold may actually proove me wrong but I doubt it.

15 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

I wasn't posting here then but I was reading. as someone who doesn't follow college ball I was very interested to read what people here had to say. In the end I just went and watched all his games from Wyoming.

Sure, tell us what account in that thread is your old one.?

[formerlyofCtown]

13 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Interesting revisit..

 

Still early to really be sure about JA, but in hindsight I can say a year later that I’m glad they picked him. over Rosen..

 

Some great takes but the best one I saw was the one that said that at least JA was walking into a solid quarterback room with AJ and Peterman..

May Carr get knocked out for the season and AB have Peterman as his QB.?

5 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I didn't post in that thread.

 

My draft night list was Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Allen.   Then, when the Bills traded up, I thought to myself, "no, Allen.  Take Allen."  Not that I thought he'd be great.  I was disappointed we didn't get one of my first two, and I tended not to like either Josh.   At the last minute, I thought "I want the big guy, the big arm.  Maybe the Bills can teach him what he needs to know.   Rosen will never have a big arm."  

 

I felt a little better when I heard McBeane talk about him.  They sounded like they really wanted Allen, that they knew that he could be their horse.   But even then I didn't know what you've concluded, which essentially is his upside is better than his downside.  Ask me last June, and I wouldn't have said that.   

I think it was only ever Allen or Mayfield Otherwise when pick 3 was put on the market Beane would have grabbed it.  Glad Allen made it to us.  We may have been stuck with Peterman.  Although Rudolph would have worked for me later.

Edited March 31, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

That being your main purpose here is very clear.  

 

As for me being a fan of yours............obviously not so much.........but your boring takes won't be clogging up the pages I'm reading any longer.

 

 

 

Wait...is that a no on making out?  ?

 

Never understood the need for posters to tell people this.  Just put people on ignore.  Seems silly to go through the narcissistic theatrics of announcing it.  

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

14 hours ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

the best part of that thread is some idiot with over 11,000 posts actually changed their name to "WRONG JOSH".

 

????

I hafta give WRONG JOSH major props for owning this by liking my post

 

peace, brother 

[DCbillsfan]

I was really bummed when they took Allen.  I wanted Rosen.  Allen still has work to do but seemed to improve with every game.  Looking forward to see him this year with a full off season and full training camp as no. 1 qb.

[Foxx]

16 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I didn't post in that thread.

 

My draft night list was Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Allen.   Then, when the Bills traded up, I thought to myself, "no, Allen.  Take Allen."  Not that I thought he'd be great.  I was disappointed we didn't get one of my first two, and I tended not to like either Josh.   At the last minute, I thought "I want the big guy, the big arm.  Maybe the Bills can teach him what he needs to know.   Rosen will never have a big arm."  

 

I felt a little better when I heard McBeane talk about him.  They sounded like they really wanted Allen, that they knew that he could be their horse.   But even then I didn't know what you've concluded, which essentially is his upside is better than his downside.  Ask me last June, and I wouldn't have said that.   

actually, you were pounding the table pretty hard for Cousins.  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

14 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

Josh Allen had the highest ceiling and yet was considered by many a project QB that was supposed to sit and learn for a year like Patrick Mahomes. Yes, Allen had accuracy issues and concerns he was well aware of and started working on his issues right after his college season ended. 

 

Jordan Palmer started working with Allen and they worked on his biggest issue which was his footwork. Palmer stated he fixed his footwork but alas we all saw 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tIb-B4sGd8

 

 

It was Allen's backstory that was so impressive as after high school he was a 6'3'' 180lb scrawny kid with a big arm. With no football scholarships to a division one football program, he attended a junior college. After his first season in JC, he sent emails to every division one football college out there (over 1000) By this time he was 6'5'' 210 with a big arm. Only two colleges responded Eastern Michigan, Wyoming offered him a scholarship and once EM found out he visited Wyoming they rescinded their offer.

 

While at Wyoming he basically carried his team to a winning season and a bowl game win. Plus, Allen didn't play in a gimmie offense with short passes, bubble screens to pad his stats as he was in a pro-style deep passing scheme. Besides, anyone on offense who had touched the ball in 2016 was gone from the team in 2017. So basically Allen was dealing with a bunch of rookie receivers learning how to do their jobs. 

 

It's not just the off the charts physical intangibles, it's his competitiveness, his fire, his burning desire to win which is so infectious that it fires up his teammates. The kid is big, strong and has arguably the most powerful arm in the league. Allen played in the snow and cold at Wyoming so he should fit right into Buffalo's blue-collar town. What's not to love? 

 

 

 

...GREAT assessment bud......aren't they ALL projects to a certain extent?....as Steve Young (yup, HIM) said, "more collegiate QB's fail versus succeed at the NFL level due to the speed and complexity of the game"...don't see where ANY come with a warranty or money back guarantee.....this kid is the "no guts no glory....no bawls no blue chips" type of moxy we are in dire need of IMO...

[FearLess Price]

I  was hella mad after the pick. Took me about a week to get over it. 

 

Rook was good. Arrived better than advertised, the shades he showed in the 2nd half of the senior bowl got to shine at different points during the season.

 

Ill take that crow fried with buffalo sauce n blue cheese.