Alphadawg7 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: Everybody has their own opinion, and I got that a number of fans were disappointed in the pick. However, what surprised me, was the sheer volume of posters that wanted to completely write this kid off before he ever even stepped foot on an NFL field. Also interesting how some of the most vocal posters, who were so absolutely certain Allen was going to be a complete bust, disappeared late in the season - rarely to be heard again on this forum, if at all.... Yup, it was crazy. You and I were some of the few that wasn’t freaking out and was excited for the kid. 1 1
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: What a wild ride we’ve been on Hasn't even started yet.
Bookie Man Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 I remember I let out a big Darth Vader style "N-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O" as I was driving, listening to the draft on the radio. I had concerns about his accuracy, pocket presence and ability to go through his reads fast enough. Then I watched his Firebaugh video and you see what kind of person he is. And the improvements he made just in a few months after working with Palmer and his Senior bowl performance. The pick started to grow on me. His rookie year had a lot of ups and downs, that was expected from a raw prospect. He made some WOW plays and some wtf plays. That's exactly what his report said. I think his peaks were higher than his valleys were low. I feel like his game is trending upwards. After he came back from injury, he didn't seem as timid and his athleticism and size was displayed. He basically took over some games. Excited to see what he can do with a solid ground game (hopefully). Our running game was putrid last year. Josh Allen basically WAS our running game. 3
GunnerBill Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 I have never hid from the fact I didn't want Josh Allen. While I always thought his ceiling was sky high I thought his floor was rock bottom low. I confess I certainly underestimated his ability to move the chains with his legs which would have raised his floor (because it means he isn't have to force balls with questionable accuracy). That said even if I had better evaluated his legs it would have only bumped him up a round and to my QB5 in last year's draft. I feel much better about the pick now than I did then, but he still has a lot to improve on. And as always.... I care much more about Buffalo winning than I do about being right. 2
billsfan1959 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Yup, it was crazy. You and I were some of the few that wasn’t freaking out and was excited for the kid. I absolutely love this kid - his mentality on the field and the way he plays the game. He lives in that 15 to 25 yard range and, while there are times it would be prudent to take that 7 yard dump off, I love that he’s always looking to make that big throw first and has the confidence in himself to do it. A fierce competitor, an incredibly hard worker, and gifted with talent. Show much to learn, but what potential! I feel like he will be our franchise QB, but you never know. What I do know is, that for me, he is exactly the kind of QB I want on the team I root for. 1 1
dlonce Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 That was great.Thanks for posting. The accuracy argument isn’t really an argument. This kid has all the intangibles, and is a dump off or two from getting to the perceptive promised land of 60%. JA has a lot of Jim Kelly in him but he has wheels, and he plays in an era of a premium on passing. He looks to be a leader and can throw deep. Experience will help him. Jim Kelly, as a Bill had a career pct passing of 60% In an era of running. 1
goldenboy81 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Hahaha man people were losing it. Looks like we got the right josh after all
thurst44 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 If I don't have a hot take in that thread it was because I was too furious to post at the time. By the time they traded up for Edmunds, I was OK with it (i.e. well, we got another first round pick anyway). It was less than a week later that I admitted there's a good chance I was very wrong about Allen. And it wasn't just rationalization or rallying around our guy. I liked his interviews, that he had the highest Wonderlic, heard that he was the leader of the QBs at the combine. By training camp, I wanted him to start this year. Now, I'm tentatively giddy. It's not a definite, but he's an exciting player, and his ceiling is remarkable. 1
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Why jump the gun? Still too early for gloating. 1
Heavy Kevi Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Logic said: Reading through the thread, the main thing that strikes me is how QUICKLY most of the members in this thread (and Bills fans at large) did a 180 on Josh Allen. That thread is just full of heartbreak, people saying "I'm gonna be sick", swearing off Bills fanhood forever, calling for the firing of Beane, etc, etc... Fast forward a year, and now? For the most part, Bills fans LOVE Josh Allen! Call it stockholm syndrome, call it wishful thinking, call it a survival tactic...at the end of the day, Allen won people over pretty quickly. The biggest reason, I think, is his heart. I mean, we all saw what he could do PHYSICALLY, sure. Running around Kiko Alonso all day and hurdling over Anthony Barr didn't hurt...but it's the way that he lays it all out there on the field and isn't afraid and does absolutely everything within his power to win that has endeared him to so many, so fast. A credit to Josh, his character, and his play as a rookie. It is true, but not unprecedented. Same thing happened with Rex. As far as Josh goes, I did the same 180, but it was just the day before the draft. I was a bit enamored with his 5 mile throws at the combine already, but when somebody dug up his old tweet the day before it told me somebody wanted to kill his draft stock. Which to me said some team is trying to make him fall to them. That's when I said "you know what, lets get this guy" These days I am downright ecstatic and I am really happy we have him. Obviously he has a ways to go, but you can't help but love his fire, passon, work ethic, and leadership so far in his short time in Buffalo. He seems to really understand the city and realizes the opportu ity before him. I believe he has that "it" factor that is so hard to define, that we haven't seen since I was in gradeschool. 2
Forward Progress Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 What I learned from this thread is that I have more confidence in Beane and McDermott than I do in the media and the posters on this board. 3
Reed83HOF Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Just now, Heavy Kevi said: It is true, but not unprecedented. Same thing happened with Rex. As far as Josh goes, I did the same 180, but it was just the day before the draft. I was a bit enamored with his 5 mile throws at the combine already, but when somebody dug up his old tweet the day before it told me somebody wanted to kill his draft stock. Which to me said some team is trying to make him fall to them. That's when I said "you know what, lets get this guy" These days I am downright ecstatic and I am really happy we have him. Obviously he has a ways to go, but you can't help but love his fire, passon, work ethic, and leadership so far in his short time in Buffalo. He seems to really understand the city and realizes the opportu ity before him. I believe he has that "it" factor that is so hard to define, that we haven't seen since I was in gradeschool. I didn't want him, wrong Josh. I will say watching the combine though, you obviously fell in love with his arm and I recall having conversations that I wish he was a bit more accurate, because it would be a no brainer; the accuracy thing scared me off. Rosen was a much safer pick, much lower ceiling; my feeling was I would be very fine with an Eli type player in Rosen rather than swinging for the fences and missing; it was just to much of a boom or bust for a franchise that has been terrible for the last 20ish years.
SouthNYfan Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 2 hours ago, SWATeam said: This is perfect! I'm glad you noticed too. I had a nice chuckle. 6 minutes ago, Forward Progress said: What I learned from this thread is that I have more confidence in Beane and McDermott than I do in the media and the posters on this board. That's saying a lot considering our previous front office/coaching staff.
Heavy Kevi Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Just now, Reed83HOF said: I didn't want him, wrong Josh. I will say watching the combine though, you obviously fell in love with his arm and I recall having conversations that I wish he was a bit more accurate, because it would be a no brainer; the accuracy thing scared me off. Rosen was a much safer pick, much lower ceiling; my feeling was I would be very fine with an Eli type player in Rosen rather than swinging for the fences and missing; it was just to much of a boom or bust for a franchise that has been terrible for the last 20ish years. I just wanted a guy without physical limitations. Sure, guys can overcome physical limitations, but it's the exception and not the rule. You can improve how you approach the game, your footwork, your throwing motion, etc but you can't grow 4 inches or gain the ability to throw it a mile.
YoloinOhio Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 4 hours ago, RobbRiddick said: Didn't realise there was an archives section here so I found the thread where we drafted Allen last year. Makes for an interesting read to see the initial reactions again. Any of you guys changed your minds at all now? Stand by your opinion? On the fence? https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/205086-rd1-pick-7-josh-allen-qb-wyoming/ I wanted Rosen and my post was spot on. I really like Allen now, though he has a lot of development to go. 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I found the worst take in the thread: Oh my. That take has iced over so much I needed to get my windshield scraper to see it. 1
Reed83HOF Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) Actually @HappyDays won the thread: Edited March 30, 2019 by Reed83HOF 1
napmaster Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 I was in the "anyone but that prick Rosen" camp. Was hoping the Browns would take Allen to be honest, so I can't say I was enthusiastic about the pick. He's been a lot of fun to watch and a great kid to root for.
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 I’m at the same place. Absolutely hated the pick and he played pretty much the way I thought (highs and lows). What sucks is I want to blindly get behind him but I’ve been burned a bunch by past Bills qbs. But I hope they get a few more weapons and we can know for sure one way or other this year.
eball Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 That is a beautiful freaking thread. I’m not calling anyone out because god knows I’ve been wrong about players, but I will ask this question: has Josh Rosen been fitted for his HOF jacket yet?
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 Just now, eball said: That is a beautiful freaking thread. I’m not calling anyone out because god knows I’ve been wrong about players, but I will ask this question: has Josh Rosen been fitted for his HOF jacket yet? Have any of them? Come on. It’s stupid to make claims about any of them at this point, except maybe Baker (who will probably get hurt because the Browns aren’t allowed to be good).
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