Unpopular Take. The Bills should trade for Rosen

[GoBills808]

6 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

 

You'd probalby be right....it's only been done 3 times ever....wouldn't be likely he'll top 50 TD again.  Brady and Manning only had one 50 TD season in their careers....would be unrealistic to expect Mahomes to do it again...ever.

 

I’m talking never even gets close. Loses Hill and Hunt to wife/child abuse, Kelce to injury/retirement, Reid to Sea World. Ends up a footnote in Chiefs lore alongside Elvis Grbac. All while Allen curbstomps the rest of the league for the next 10+. 

[longtimebillsfan]

7 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

.....In 1989, Jimmy Johnson, having just drafted Troy Aikman, 1/1, used what ended up being his 1990 first round draft pick in the 1989 Supplemental draft on QB Steve Walsh from the U.  Some of you may remember Walsh was a big time college QB at the time.  Johnson, when asked why he had done this said that QB was too important to get wrong.  He needed to make sure he had one.  No one really remembers much about it because Aikman won that competition, went on to win 3 Super Bowls...and Walsh was traded to the Saints for draft picks.  ....keep that in mind....

 

As much as many of you have cherry picked the stats to pieces and conjured up every possible scenario to hide the blight of Josh Allens horrendous 52% completion PCT....the fact is, as exciting and athlietic as he is...Josh Allen is still a major question mark to everyone outside western New York (yes Bills fans...where you see a an ascending future MVP QB, the rest of the country sees a gifted athlete who isn't a good thrower)  

 

Rosen is cheap.  He can be had for a 2nd round draft pick.

 

While the Bills certainly still have plenty of spots to fill and could use that 2nd to do that....what if you had Rosen on hand in case Josh Allen can't get that Comp % up above 55?  What if you had the next blue chip prospect already on your roster and under contract if it turns out you've rebuilt the roster, have all this young talent ready to go, and your QB turns out to be a bust?  You wouldn't need to rebuild again...you'd have Rosen ready to go.

 

You might argure making such a move would damage Allens confidence.  Maybe it would...but Aikman handled Johnson drafting Walsh, manned up and won that battle.  If Allen has the fortitude he's said to posses around here...he'd compete.  

 

If Allen did turn out to be what you all are hoping for, Rosen would remain something of an unknown blue chip prospect that had value and could be traded for something useful next year.  

 

If the object of having a pro football team is to WIN...then getting QB right is worth making this kind of move.  That's why Jimmy did it.  Just something to think about....these kind of situations don't come around often.

Given what you said about Josh Allen, Using the same evaluation with blinders on, what did Rosen do in 2018 to make you think he will be any better or as good as Allen?

7 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

.....In 1989, Jimmy Johnson, having just drafted Troy Aikman, 1/1, used what ended up being his 1990 first round draft pick in the 1989 Supplemental draft on QB Steve Walsh from the U.  Some of you may remember Walsh was a big time college QB at the time.  Johnson, when asked why he had done this said that QB was too important to get wrong.  He needed to make sure he had one.  No one really remembers much about it because Aikman won that competition, went on to win 3 Super Bowls...and Walsh was traded to the Saints for draft picks.  ....keep that in mind....

 

As much as many of you have cherry picked the stats to pieces and conjured up every possible scenario to hide the blight of Josh Allens horrendous 52% completion PCT....the fact is, as exciting and athlietic as he is...Josh Allen is still a major question mark to everyone outside western New York (yes Bills fans...where you see a an ascending future MVP QB, the rest of the country sees a gifted athlete who isn't a good thrower)  

 

Rosen is cheap.  He can be had for a 2nd round draft pick.

 

While the Bills certainly still have plenty of spots to fill and could use that 2nd to do that....what if you had Rosen on hand in case Josh Allen can't get that Comp % up above 55?  What if you had the next blue chip prospect already on your roster and under contract if it turns out you've rebuilt the roster, have all this young talent ready to go, and your QB turns out to be a bust?  You wouldn't need to rebuild again...you'd have Rosen ready to go.

 

You might argure making such a move would damage Allens confidence.  Maybe it would...but Aikman handled Johnson drafting Walsh, manned up and won that battle.  If Allen has the fortitude he's said to posses around here...he'd compete.  

 

If Allen did turn out to be what you all are hoping for, Rosen would remain something of an unknown blue chip prospect that had value and could be traded for something useful next year.  

 

If the object of having a pro football team is to WIN...then getting QB right is worth making this kind of move.  That's why Jimmy did it.  Just something to think about....these kind of situations don't come around often.

Also, you see no value in committing to Allen and give him as many reps with the #1's as possible?  With your rationale, why not sign Manziel?  Let's draft another qb in this years draft?  Let's save the qb collecting strategy to Gruden.

[Zerovoltz]

Just now, longtimebillsfan said:

Given what you said about Josh Allen, Using the same evaluation with blinders on, what did Rosen do in 2018 to make you think he will be any better or as good as Allen?

 

There isn't a single word in my original post or any of my responses saying that Rosen would be better than Allen or as good.  Nothing Rosen did in 2018 suggests much of anything about his future.  He may well bust out.  He may go on to be good.  He's still a guy with "potential" at this point.  Just as Allen is a guy with a lot of potential.  Neither have become good QB's in the NFL yet.  The entire point of this whole thing...AGAIN...is not to say Rosen is better or that you should have drafted Rosen....the point is that a QB who was rated as a first round talent, who has played one year in the NFL, and whose future potential is still difficult to gage, and who many still feel has high end potential and talent...is available to everyone in the NFL right now.  My suggestion is that this is a rare and unusual set of circumstances...and gving the 1989 Cowboys as an example of a team who also found themselves in the unusual situation that allowed them to aquire TWO first round rated QB's in the span of a year or less, they did so....as Jimmy Johnson explaned...becasue geting the QB right was too important.  The Bills could give themselves a better chance at aquiring said franchise QB, if they had TWO first round rated talents on the roster...if one busted or was injured etc....you'd have anohter guy with POTENTIAL on the roster already who isn't costing much.  

 

Most of you are taking this as an anti Allen post...it is not....it is a post about QB development strategy at time when there is a guy available who ordinarily wouldn't be.  

 

Allen may well become "the man"  you'd trade Rosen for what you could get.  Jimmy Johnson ended up trading Walsh later on for a 1st and 3rd.  Allen may bust.  If he did for some reason....you'd be turning your franchise over to Barclay or some other journeyman.  Your fan base has seen enough journeyman don''t you think?  Im' simply suggesting that there is an oppertunity to execute a contingency plan unlike anything we've seen in decades.  

 

There are a TON of threads here debating Rosen Vs Allen..that isn't what this is about.  When you can look at it as a possible insurance plan, instead of a debate on wich Josh...you might see the point.  

[nucci]

I would use a different word than unpopular

[HOUSE]

Rosen, in Buffalo ??

 

 

Edited March 29, 2019 by HOUSE

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

It's not the worst idea I've ever heard. Think about it.

 

Okay, it's the worst idea I've ever heard. 

 

 

...maybe as a Sanitary Engineer wouldn't be so bad...oh wait.....

[CSBill]

I opened this thread just read the roasting, and to get some laughs this morning, not disappointed.

[mead107]

Can tell it the off season. 

 

[eball]

9 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

 

If Allen did turn out to be what you all are hoping for

 

All I needed to read.  This is no Bills fan.  Shut it down.

[Rochesterfan]

9 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

.....In 1989, Jimmy Johnson, having just drafted Troy Aikman, 1/1, used what ended up being his 1990 first round draft pick in the 1989 Supplemental draft on QB Steve Walsh from the U.  Some of you may remember Walsh was a big time college QB at the time.  Johnson, when asked why he had done this said that QB was too important to get wrong.  He needed to make sure he had one.  No one really remembers much about it because Aikman won that competition, went on to win 3 Super Bowls...and Walsh was traded to the Saints for draft picks.  ....keep that in mind....

 

As much as many of you have cherry picked the stats to pieces and conjured up every possible scenario to hide the blight of Josh Allens horrendous 52% completion PCT....the fact is, as exciting and athlietic as he is...Josh Allen is still a major question mark to everyone outside western New York (yes Bills fans...where you see a an ascending future MVP QB, the rest of the country sees a gifted athlete who isn't a good thrower)  

 

Rosen is cheap.  He can be had for a 2nd round draft pick.

 

While the Bills certainly still have plenty of spots to fill and could use that 2nd to do that....what if you had Rosen on hand in case Josh Allen can't get that Comp % up above 55?  What if you had the next blue chip prospect already on your roster and under contract if it turns out you've rebuilt the roster, have all this young talent ready to go, and your QB turns out to be a bust?  You wouldn't need to rebuild again...you'd have Rosen ready to go.

 

You might argure making such a move would damage Allens confidence.  Maybe it would...but Aikman handled Johnson drafting Walsh, manned up and won that battle.  If Allen has the fortitude he's said to posses around here...he'd compete.  

 

If Allen did turn out to be what you all are hoping for, Rosen would remain something of an unknown blue chip prospect that had value and could be traded for something useful next year.  

 

If the object of having a pro football team is to WIN...then getting QB right is worth making this kind of move.  That's why Jimmy did it.  Just something to think about....these kind of situations don't come around often.

 

 

By this logic - the Chiefs should be all over Rosen then because you still do not know how Mahomes is going to handle one good year.  He could come back and with the loss of Hunt and potentially Hill - really struggle in year 3.  The value is there and Rosen could be a good fit in the Reid system.  

[Buddo]

I can think of one reason to do it, and that would be to stop the Patsies from trading for him. He could be a natural successor to Brady, and might be able to run their current offence fairly successfully. I would also suggest that he is likely to be the ‘type’ of QB McDaniels can work with best.

 

Note, I am not for a single minute advocating this be done, but simply as a viable scenario for it having some value. Tbh, I can see it as the sort of thing evil Bill would be quite prepared to do, in our situation. Prevent one of your immediate adversaries, from improving themselves.

 

i also think that it would be extraordinarily unfair on Rosen to do that.

 

[Zerovoltz]

6 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

By this logic - the Chiefs should be all over Rosen then because you still do not know how Mahomes is going to handle one good year.  He could come back and with the loss of Hunt and potentially Hill - really struggle in year 3.  The value is there and Rosen could be a good fit in the Reid system.  

 

If you had read the whole thread...you'd see that I have advocated for KC to do this.  

6 minutes ago, Buddo said:

I can think of one reason to do it, and that would be to stop the Patsies from trading for him. He could be a natural successor to Brady, and might be able to run their current offence fairly successfully. I would also suggest that he is likely to be the ‘type’ of QB McDaniels can work with best.

 

Note, I am not for a single minute advocating this be done, but simply as a viable scenario for it having some value. Tbh, I can see it as the sort of thing evil Bill would be quite prepared to do, in our situation. Prevent one of your immediate adversaries, from improving themselves.

 

i also think that it would be extraordinarily unfair on Rosen to do that.

 

 

The Patriots are one of the teams rumored to be very interested.

[Max Fischer]

10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Welcome back Jeffismagic.  

 

Is this actually true? That guy almost singlehandedly destroyed another board. Either a skilled troll or . . . 

[Zerovoltz]

8 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

 

Is this actually true? That guy almost singlehandedly destroyed another board. Either a skilled troll or . . . 

go back a couple pages....I'm not Jeffismagic or crayon eater or anyone else.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I was looking for something witty to post ......  

 

but all I can come up with is this not so great idea.  

 

 

 

 

[MarkAF43]

10 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

 If I were the Cards...I'd draft Murray AND KEEP Rosen.  They are going to trade him and move on....they view Murray as a generational talent who is better than Rosen.....if you can get a guy who you think can be a generational talent...you get that guy.  

 

I really appreciate your viewpoint on this.  

 

 

By your own statement, the Cardinals would be foolish to trade him then, so this discussion is irrelevant. According to you, they should increase their odds in case of a bust.  

This whole thread is pointless.

[nucci]

10 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

I think it would be the right thing to do given the circumstances.  I lurk around here and post often....I see how much most of you LOVE Josh Allen....and rightfully so...he's an exciting prospect, and your team just make several moves to upgrade the roster around him....and we haven't even gotten to the draft yet....Allen could be everything you all are still hoping for....but IF he doesn't turn out to be that guy....how often does a team ever have a chance to literally stock a BLUE CHIP prospect on the bench as an insurance plan?  That is what Rosen could be for you.  Allen is NOT a sure thing at all at this point.  No matter how you break it down, he's gotta make a staggering improvement on that completion pct.  His past suggests that isn't a given.  

and Rosen is? what kind of past does Allen have for you to say this? Why is completion % such a big deal around here....he makes big plays....such an overrated stat

[mushypeaches]

10 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

.....In 1989, Jimmy Johnson, having just drafted Troy Aikman, 1/1, used what ended up being his 1990 first round draft pick in the 1989 Supplemental draft on QB Steve Walsh from the U.  Some of you may remember Walsh was a big time college QB at the time.  Johnson, when asked why he had done this said that QB was too important to get wrong.  He needed to make sure he had one.  No one really remembers much about it because Aikman won that competition, went on to win 3 Super Bowls...and Walsh was traded to the Saints for draft picks.  ....keep that in mind....

 

As much as many of you have cherry picked the stats to pieces and conjured up every possible scenario to hide the blight of Josh Allens horrendous 52% completion PCT....the fact is, as exciting and athlietic as he is...Josh Allen is still a major question mark to everyone outside western New York (yes Bills fans...where you see a an ascending future MVP QB, the rest of the country sees a gifted athlete who isn't a good thrower)  

 

Rosen is cheap.  He can be had for a 2nd round draft pick.

 

While the Bills certainly still have plenty of spots to fill and could use that 2nd to do that....what if you had Rosen on hand in case Josh Allen can't get that Comp % up above 55?  What if you had the next blue chip prospect already on your roster and under contract if it turns out you've rebuilt the roster, have all this young talent ready to go, and your QB turns out to be a bust?  You wouldn't need to rebuild again...you'd have Rosen ready to go.

 

You might argure making such a move would damage Allens confidence.  Maybe it would...but Aikman handled Johnson drafting Walsh, manned up and won that battle.  If Allen has the fortitude he's said to posses around here...he'd compete.  

 

If Allen did turn out to be what you all are hoping for, Rosen would remain something of an unknown blue chip prospect that had value and could be traded for something useful next year.  

 

If the object of having a pro football team is to WIN...then getting QB right is worth making this kind of move.  That's why Jimmy did it.  Just something to think about....these kind of situations don't come around often.

 

How do these tinfoil hats keep reproducing within our fan base?

[SoTier]

10 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

.....In 1989, Jimmy Johnson, having just drafted Troy Aikman, 1/1, used what ended up being his 1990 first round draft pick in the 1989 Supplemental draft on QB Steve Walsh from the U.  Some of you may remember Walsh was a big time college QB at the time.  Johnson, when asked why he had done this said that QB was too important to get wrong.  He needed to make sure he had one.  No one really remembers much about it because Aikman won that competition, went on to win 3 Super Bowls...and Walsh was traded to the Saints for draft picks.  ....keep that in mind....

 

As much as many of you have cherry picked the stats to pieces and conjured up every possible scenario to hide the blight of Josh Allens horrendous 52% completion PCT....the fact is, as exciting and athlietic as he is...Josh Allen is still a major question mark to everyone outside western New York (yes Bills fans...where you see a an ascending future MVP QB, the rest of the country sees a gifted athlete who isn't a good thrower)  

 

Rosen is cheap.  He can be had for a 2nd round draft pick.

 

While the Bills certainly still have plenty of spots to fill and could use that 2nd to do that....what if you had Rosen on hand in case Josh Allen can't get that Comp % up above 55?  What if you had the next blue chip prospect already on your roster and under contract if it turns out you've rebuilt the roster, have all this young talent ready to go, and your QB turns out to be a bust?  You wouldn't need to rebuild again...you'd have Rosen ready to go.

 

You might argure making such a move would damage Allens confidence.  Maybe it would...but Aikman handled Johnson drafting Walsh, manned up and won that battle.  If Allen has the fortitude he's said to posses around here...he'd compete.  

 

If Allen did turn out to be what you all are hoping for, Rosen would remain something of an unknown blue chip prospect that had value and could be traded for something useful next year.  

 

If the object of having a pro football team is to WIN...then getting QB right is worth making this kind of move.  That's why Jimmy did it.  Just something to think about....these kind of situations don't come around often.

 

• This isn't 1989 ... in case you didn't notice.
• The Cowboys essentially traded the #1 overall pick in 1990 (they crapped the bed again) for the opportunity to draft another QB at the end of the 1989 draft who ended up a career backup, who in a 10 year career, was active for all of 80 games, threw 40 TDs and 50 INTs.  How, exactly, is this a move to emulate???? 
• With the salary cap, no team can realistically afford to use so much cap space on 2 unproven first round QBs from the same draft class for "insurance". 
• How do you know that "Rosen is cheap"?  Except for speculation by media sports mavens, there's no indication that Rosen is even on the market.  

[BillsMafia13]

Now I think this idea is absolutely awful and give it no mind.  But is there any merit to trading, say a 3rd rounder for him and using him like Kirk Cousins?  Idk if Rosen is even salvageable but if anyone thinks that can fix him they could flip him later on.  Would also eff up the dynamic here but hey