JoPar_v2 Posted March 29, 2019 Posted March 29, 2019 If Rosen had proven himself a little bit more laat year I’d say consider it. Then again if he had done that he probably wouldn’t be available. Right now, based on his pro tape only, he isn’t worth a 2nd round pick.
LSHMEAB Posted March 29, 2019 Posted March 29, 2019 4 hours ago, SoTier said: Even when they think their QB is likely to be the next great QB, teams miss frequently. Doesn't this lend credence to the original idea? The Bills are convinced that Allen is the guy, but it's at least plausible that they may be wrong, isn't it? If you want a guarantee, buy a toaster. Otherwise, prepare for every possibility. I actually don't want Rosen because I don't view him favorably(at all), but I get the gist. RyanC made an excellent point that the Bills are better off waiting to see what happens this season. We will have a much better idea of what Allen is all about after 2019. If he fails miserably, you're probably in a good spot to take a QB next year. If he succeeds, this whole thing is a bunch of meaningless words.
Doc Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 2 hours ago, SoTier said: If Rosen had shown to be a top talent last year, all these trade rumors would be swirling around because nobody would believe Arizona would think of trading him away, new regime or not. You never know. The trend seems to be going towards QB's who can pass and run.
That's No Moon Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 I'm willing to ask the price. Heck, I'm the guy who said you should take a QB in the 1st round every year until you find one because nothing else matters. You can't win without a QB, having 2 on affordable deals isn't the worst position to be in.
Fan in Chicago Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: The fact this thread has reached 8 pages has caused me to lose hope for society. With each passing page, society as a whole becomes dumber by 5%. At 10 pages we will be approaching 3rd world country status. At 15 pages we will be the equivalent of "North Centinal Island". At 20 pages we will be the equivalent of the Terry Crews led USA in the movie "Idocracy". Lets see how dumb we get. At 25 pages, we enter Zerovoltz territory 1
Albany,n.y. Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 There's a lot more than just Jimmy hedging on QBs. Neither had played a down in the NFL, totally different than bringing in a 2nd year player as a hedge on another 2nd year player. Most important: Walsh was Jimmy Johnson's QB in Miami before JJ was hired by the Cowboys. Rosen has no ties to any Bills coaches. Overall, it was a stupid decision. Walsh was a lousy NFL QB & JJ was extremely lucky he was able to fleece the Saints out of a #1 pick before Walsh was fully exposed and was around Not For Long in NO. . 1 1
Doc Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: There's a lot more than just Jimmy hedging on QBs. Neither had played a down in the NFL, totally different than bringing in a 2nd year player as a hedge on another 2nd year player. Most important: Walsh was Jimmy Johnson's QB in Miami before JJ was hired by the Cowboys. Rosen has no ties to any Bills coaches. Overall, it was a stupid decision. Walsh was a lousy NFL QB & JJ was extremely lucky he was able to fleece the Saints out of a #1 pick before Walsh was fully exposed and was around Not For Long in NO. . JJ was Jedi Master. Not sure how or why.
longtimebillsfan Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: There isn't a single word in my original post or any of my responses saying that Rosen would be better than Allen or as good. Nothing Rosen did in 2018 suggests much of anything about his future. He may well bust out. He may go on to be good. He's still a guy with "potential" at this point. Just as Allen is a guy with a lot of potential. Neither have become good QB's in the NFL yet. The entire point of this whole thing...AGAIN...is not to say Rosen is better or that you should have drafted Rosen....the point is that a QB who was rated as a first round talent, who has played one year in the NFL, and whose future potential is still difficult to gage, and who many still feel has high end potential and talent...is available to everyone in the NFL right now. My suggestion is that this is a rare and unusual set of circumstances...and gving the 1989 Cowboys as an example of a team who also found themselves in the unusual situation that allowed them to aquire TWO first round rated QB's in the span of a year or less, they did so....as Jimmy Johnson explaned...becasue geting the QB right was too important. The Bills could give themselves a better chance at aquiring said franchise QB, if they had TWO first round rated talents on the roster...if one busted or was injured etc....you'd have anohter guy with POTENTIAL on the roster already who isn't costing much. Most of you are taking this as an anti Allen post...it is not....it is a post about QB development strategy at time when there is a guy available who ordinarily wouldn't be. Allen may well become "the man" you'd trade Rosen for what you could get. Jimmy Johnson ended up trading Walsh later on for a 1st and 3rd. Allen may bust. If he did for some reason....you'd be turning your franchise over to Barclay or some other journeyman. Your fan base has seen enough journeyman don''t you think? Im' simply suggesting that there is an oppertunity to execute a contingency plan unlike anything we've seen in decades. There are a TON of threads here debating Rosen Vs Allen..that isn't what this is about. When you can look at it as a possible insurance plan, instead of a debate on wich Josh...you might see the point. Then why sign him. We seem to be set at back up qb. This appears to be a post that is designed to be so outlandish that it solicits reactions. Talk show hosts do it all the time. It works. Edited March 30, 2019 by longtimebillsfan
LABILLBACKER Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Rufridr101 said: Matt Barkley is better than Rosen That may very well be true...
aceman_16 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 8:49 PM, Zerovotlz said: I think it would be the right thing to do given the circumstances. I lurk around here and post often....I see how much most of you LOVE Josh Allen....and rightfully so...he's an exciting prospect, and your team just make several moves to upgrade the roster around him....and we haven't even gotten to the draft yet....Allen could be everything you all are still hoping for....but IF he doesn't turn out to be that guy....how often does a team ever have a chance to literally stock a BLUE CHIP prospect on the bench as an insurance plan? That is what Rosen could be for you. Allen is NOT a sure thing at all at this point. No matter how you break it down, he's gotta make a staggering improvement on that completion pct. His past suggests that isn't a given. MAYBE the Chiefs jump at this opportunity!! 1
Zerovoltz Posted March 30, 2019 Author Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, aceman_16 said: MAYBE the Chiefs jump at this opportunity!! Maybe read the whole thread and you’ll see where it was discussed already.
Doc Brown Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 We've made our choice for better or worse. Trading for Rosen just tells Allen (and the team) we have doubts about him being our guy. I also don't see Rosen as a happy backup in Buffalo. It would be a toxic situation. Not to mention you lose a 2nd round draft pick that could help Allen develop. 1
thenorthremembers Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 8:31 PM, Zerovotlz said: .....In 1989, Jimmy Johnson, having just drafted Troy Aikman, 1/1, used what ended up being his 1990 first round draft pick in the 1989 Supplemental draft on QB Steve Walsh from the U. Some of you may remember Walsh was a big time college QB at the time. Johnson, when asked why he had done this said that QB was too important to get wrong. He needed to make sure he had one. No one really remembers much about it because Aikman won that competition, went on to win 3 Super Bowls...and Walsh was traded to the Saints for draft picks. ....keep that in mind.... As much as many of you have cherry picked the stats to pieces and conjured up every possible scenario to hide the blight of Josh Allens horrendous 52% completion PCT....the fact is, as exciting and athlietic as he is...Josh Allen is still a major question mark to everyone outside western New York (yes Bills fans...where you see a an ascending future MVP QB, the rest of the country sees a gifted athlete who isn't a good thrower) Rosen is cheap. He can be had for a 2nd round draft pick. While the Bills certainly still have plenty of spots to fill and could use that 2nd to do that....what if you had Rosen on hand in case Josh Allen can't get that Comp % up above 55? What if you had the next blue chip prospect already on your roster and under contract if it turns out you've rebuilt the roster, have all this young talent ready to go, and your QB turns out to be a bust? You wouldn't need to rebuild again...you'd have Rosen ready to go. You might argure making such a move would damage Allens confidence. Maybe it would...but Aikman handled Johnson drafting Walsh, manned up and won that battle. If Allen has the fortitude he's said to posses around here...he'd compete. If Allen did turn out to be what you all are hoping for, Rosen would remain something of an unknown blue chip prospect that had value and could be traded for something useful next year. If the object of having a pro football team is to WIN...then getting QB right is worth making this kind of move. That's why Jimmy did it. Just something to think about....these kind of situations don't come around often. Your assumption here is Josh Rosen is a blue chip prospect. The more likely scenario is neither ends up being a Franchise Quarterback and you've just wasted two early draft picks instead of one.
dgrochester55 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 More of a straight up stupid take than an unpopular one.
aceman_16 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: Maybe read the whole thread and you’ll see where it was discussed already. Go Bills! Edited March 30, 2019 by aceman_16
BillsBlue Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) On 3/28/2019 at 8:31 PM, Zerovotlz said: .....In 1989, Jimmy Johnson, having just drafted Troy Aikman, 1/1, used what ended up being his 1990 first round draft pick in the 1989 Supplemental draft on QB Steve Walsh from the U. Some of you may remember Walsh was a big time college QB at the time. Johnson, when asked why he had done this said that QB was too important to get wrong. He needed to make sure he had one. No one really remembers much about it because Aikman won that competition, went on to win 3 Super Bowls...and Walsh was traded to the Saints for draft picks. ....keep that in mind.... As much as many of you have cherry picked the stats to pieces and conjured up every possible scenario to hide the blight of Josh Allens horrendous 52% completion PCT....the fact is, as exciting and athlietic as he is...Josh Allen is still a major question mark to everyone outside western New York (yes Bills fans...where you see a an ascending future MVP QB, the rest of the country sees a gifted athlete who isn't a good thrower) Rosen is cheap. He can be had for a 2nd round draft pick. While the Bills certainly still have plenty of spots to fill and could use that 2nd to do that....what if you had Rosen on hand in case Josh Allen can't get that Comp % up above 55? What if you had the next blue chip prospect already on your roster and under contract if it turns out you've rebuilt the roster, have all this young talent ready to go, and your QB turns out to be a bust? You wouldn't need to rebuild again...you'd have Rosen ready to go. You might argure making such a move would damage Allens confidence. Maybe it would...but Aikman handled Johnson drafting Walsh, manned up and won that battle. If Allen has the fortitude he's said to posses around here...he'd compete. If Allen did turn out to be what you all are hoping for, Rosen would remain something of an unknown blue chip prospect that had value and could be traded for something useful next year. If the object of having a pro football team is to WIN...then getting QB right is worth making this kind of move. That's why Jimmy did it. Just something to think about....these kind of situations don't come around often. i agree it would be a nice issue to have, rosen as a back up or possible plan b and also our coaches always talk about competition right, also it would block the pats or miami from getting him ? Edited March 30, 2019 by BillsBlue
PrimeTime101 Posted March 30, 2019 Posted March 30, 2019 If this thing goes to 10 pages, can we wait for me to make some popcorn?
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