Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, Gugny said: And it's kind of Tre White's fault for laying there after the INT, anyway. ... what?
st pete gogolak Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 Now that the book is closed on Gronk, can we finally get a call on whether we did the right thing picking Troup ahead of Gronk?
Gugny Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: ... what? Watch the tape, dude. He was kind of showboating. Probably pissed Gronk off.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, Gugny said: Watch the tape, dude. He was kind of showboating. Probably pissed Gronk off. I can't even.
Boatdrinks Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 Not surprisingly the choad’s agent states he “ wouldn’t be surprised “ if he has a change of heart and returns to the team/game. And so it begins ....
Doc Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 11 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: Learn football. Watch some games. Seriously. Get your head out of your ass. The Cheaters don't need him to win games. 1
mannc Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Doc said: Get your head out of your ass. The Cheaters don't need him to win games. That’s funny...I could have sworn I’ve seen Gronkowski make a ton of huge catches that won (or helped win) games for the Pats. I don’t doubt that they will win plenty of games next year without him, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t great. 1
Doc Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, mannc said: That’s funny...I could have sworn I’ve seen Gronkowski make a ton of huge catches that won (or helped win) games for the Pats. I don’t doubt that they will win plenty of games next year without him, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t great. I never said he didn't play great. I'm saying that his presence didn't make much of a difference in terms of the Cheaters winning. 1
mannc Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Doc said: I never said he didn't play great. I'm saying that his presence didn't make much of a difference in terms of the Cheaters winning. A statement that is impossible to prove, and which is directly refuted by (1) the endless winning that took place during the nine years that he played for the Pats, and (2) the fact that he made huge catch after huge catch to help them win actual games. That happened; I saw it. Edited March 25, 2019 by mannc 1
dave mcbride Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Moss played in 215 games, Jerry Rice played in 303 games and Gronk played in 115 games. A good part of being in the discussion of an all time great is longevity. The greatest RB of all time retired at exactly the same age as Gronk. He played 118 games, but fewer than Gronk overall because the latter's postseason appearances. Edited March 25, 2019 by dave mcbride
John from Riverside Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 Without reading through this monster of a thread I am going to hope that somebody posted the video of St. Gronk concussing our starter corner after a play.......
Boatdrinks Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 Barry Sanders retired on top with gas in the tank, and missed only 7 starts due to injury / other in his entire career.
mannc Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Barry Sanders retired on top with gas in the tank, and missed only 7 starts due to injury / other in his entire career. How were Barry's postseason stats?
Boatdrinks Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, mannc said: How were Barry's postseason stats? The Lions were a terrible team, but that doesn’t detract from his greatness as a player. He was great, and durable.
SouthNYfan Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 34 minutes ago, Doc said: Get your head out of your ass. The Cheaters don't need him to win games. How about you get your head out of your own ass. "And yes, Brady and the Patriots won the Super Bowl two years ago without Gronkowski playing (coming from 28-3 in case you haven’t heard). Even with those games included, here are the splits for Brady with and without Gronkowski since the latter entered the league in 2010: With Gronkowski: 113 games, 2771 of 4332 (65.5%), 33217 pass yards (7.85 YPA), 255 pass TDs, 55 INTs Without Gronkowski: 30 games, 711 of 1182 (60.2%), 8198 pass yards, 51 pass TDs, 22 INTs If we translate that to a per-16-game rate for each, we get the following: With Gronkowski: 392 of 599, 4703 pass yards, 36 TD, 8 INT Without Gronkowski: 379 of 630, 4372 pass yards, 27 TD, 12 INT Okay, but it may be hard to put those numbers in context. The “With Gronkowski” numbers are basically identical to Aaron Rodgers since the start of his career. The “Without Gronkowski” numbers are similar to Ryan Tannehill, if he completed fewer passes but threw for slightly more touchdowns" So Aaron Rodgers vs tannehill numbers with and without him on the field. Maybe you should really do your research before you start running your mouth. 1
mannc Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: How about you get your head out of your own ass. "And yes, Brady and the Patriots won the Super Bowl two years ago without Gronkowski playing (coming from 28-3 in case you haven’t heard). Even with those games included, here are the splits for Brady with and without Gronkowski since the latter entered the league in 2010: With Gronkowski: 113 games, 2771 of 4332 (65.5%), 33217 pass yards (7.85 YPA), 255 pass TDs, 55 INTs Without Gronkowski: 30 games, 711 of 1182 (60.2%), 8198 pass yards, 51 pass TDs, 22 INTs If we translate that to a per-16-game rate for each, we get the following: With Gronkowski: 392 of 599, 4703 pass yards, 36 TD, 8 INT Without Gronkowski: 379 of 630, 4372 pass yards, 27 TD, 12 INT Okay, but it may be hard to put those numbers in context. The “With Gronkowski” numbers are basically identical to Aaron Rodgers since the start of his career. The “Without Gronkowski” numbers are similar to Ryan Tannehill, if he completed fewer passes but threw for slightly more touchdowns" So Aaron Rodgers vs tannehill numbers with and without him on the field. Maybe you should really do your research before you start running your mouth. Excellent post. But of course, anyone who actually watched the Pats play the past 9 seasons already knows that Gronk was easily the non-QB MVP on that team. 3 hours ago, K-9 said: GOAT discussions, from athletes to zookeepers and everything in between, while sometimes good food for thought, are ALWAYS futile. Gronk is a first ballot HOFer because he dominated his position in his era. Just like every other first ballot HOF tightend before him. They all have a seat at the table of the greatest. And it is a round table. With regard to many positions, that's true. I just don't think it's true in this case, just as it's not true with regard to head coaches... 1
Boatdrinks Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: How about you get your head out of your own ass. "And yes, Brady and the Patriots won the Super Bowl two years ago without Gronkowski playing (coming from 28-3 in case you haven’t heard). Even with those games included, here are the splits for Brady with and without Gronkowski since the latter entered the league in 2010: With Gronkowski: 113 games, 2771 of 4332 (65.5%), 33217 pass yards (7.85 YPA), 255 pass TDs, 55 INTs Without Gronkowski: 30 games, 711 of 1182 (60.2%), 8198 pass yards, 51 pass TDs, 22 INTs If we translate that to a per-16-game rate for each, we get the following: With Gronkowski: 392 of 599, 4703 pass yards, 36 TD, 8 INT Without Gronkowski: 379 of 630, 4372 pass yards, 27 TD, 12 INT Okay, but it may be hard to put those numbers in context. The “With Gronkowski” numbers are basically identical to Aaron Rodgers since the start of his career. The “Without Gronkowski” numbers are similar to Ryan Tannehill, if he completed fewer passes but threw for slightly more touchdowns" So Aaron Rodgers vs tannehill numbers with and without him on the field. Maybe you should really do your research before you start running your mouth. Lifted directly from thebiglead.com. Yes , I see that you put it in quotes. Anyway, I think the point was not about stats, but that the team wins games without the player. Their winning begins and ends with the QB, and probably won’t change until they get weaker at that position. Hopefully that occurs and they don’t have a Colts like transition to an Andrew Luck. 1
mannc Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Lifted directly from thebiglead.com. Yes , I see that you put it in quotes. Anyway, I think the point was not about stats, but that the team wins games without the player. Their winning begins and ends with the QB, and probably won’t change until they get weaker at that position. Hopefully that occurs and they don’t have a Colts like transition to an Andrew Luck. The bad news is the Pats got weaker at QB this past year but compensated for it by becoming the best running team in the league. It’s a never-ending nightmare... Edited March 25, 2019 by mannc 1
Boatdrinks Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, mannc said: The bad news is they Pats got weaker at QB this past year but compensated for it by becoming the best running team in the league. It’s a never-ending nightmare... Not weak enough. It will be over when ( and only when) TB retires or his play is sub par. I don’t believe he will play as a Favre-like shell of himself. That would taint his legacy and his ego won’t allow it. A running game will mean very little at that time. It will all come down to the QB. While the nightmare may seem never ending, defining it as such is pure hyperbole. The epic length run is really just tied to one player’s highly improbable longevity. Barring a Luck- type scenario it will end. For football fans however, it has seemed to be a lifetime in hell , or perhaps purgatory. I truly cannot wait for it to reach its approaching nadir.
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