Virgil Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 For the first time in a long time, we are going into an offseason with a lot of cash and not a lot of spots to fill. Yes, we can upgrade, but the end result will be the same of having to make some tough choices come camp time. I’m taking a lot of signings with a grain of salt because I know they have to win the job. As much as I want them to sign some more guys, it will be tough without a job to guarantee. With that being said, here’s my “would ya?” Are you good with packaging picks to move up a few times in the draft? Instead of picks, what if we only walked away with 4, but it’s a top 5 pick, 2nd, 4th and 7th? (I’m guessing at trade results). But with the lack of holes, would you be okay sacrificing quantity picks for a home run, ie Josh Allen or Williams? I’m going to trust the process, but with such a deep TE draft, I’d be okay with them trying to add an impact defensive player by trading up a bit. Thoughts?
RoyBatty is alive Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) HAD a lot of cash, had, we spent quite a bit. I am also taking several signings with a grain of salt, notably Johnson, Gore Waddle Feliciano As far as TE, not sure what they are thinking, signed one TE free agent already and claimed they are pleased with Croom. No i wouldn't move up in this draft, stay where we are, I believe Beane when he says you use FA for filling holes and Draft for BPA, except for maybe QB and K, i think the go right by their draft board for BPA...with a slight emphasis for T, DT Edge Rushed WR. Edited March 23, 2019 by RoyBatty is alive
LSHMEAB Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 I'd absolutely do it for Josh Allen. Not only because I believe he's the best player in this draft, but because he immediately catapults the Bills pass rush from lackluster to elite. I think we filled enough holes via FA'cy to at least consider this type of move. 2
ColoradoBills Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 One thing I know for sure is.......I take nothing off the table as to what Beane might do. 3
Forward Progress Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 I don’t see how we move into the top five while holding onto our second round pick, but I agree with the main point, which is we are in a position to trade away picks to move up the draft board. I see this playing out when there is player who stands out on the Bills draft board that they feel is worth sacrificing a later pick to go up and get (I.e. Edmunds last year). I don't see us trading up in the first as after the first three or four picks, as the drop off from one player to the next doesn’t appear to be huge. We could still trade back in the first, if the trade partner overpays to move up (eg Washington trading up from 15 for a QB). After the first pick, we are more likely to trade up for the players standing out on the Bills board. We don’t need 10 rookies this year, so going after quality instead of quantity makes sense to me.
Logic Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 I'd rather see them add 5 high quality players that they really like, even if it means using their extra 4th and 5th rounders to move up a few times. I don't need to see 10 players added. They won't be able to find roster spots for 10 players. I don't expect them to draft more than 7 players at most. Beane and McDermott's recent draft history also shows that they like moving up in the early rounds if the price is right (Dawkins, Zay, Allen, and Edmunds were all selected after trade-ups). 1
Philo Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I'd absolutely do it for Josh Allen. Not only because I believe he's the best player in this draft, but because he immediately catapults the Bills pass rush from lackluster to elite. I think we filled enough holes via FA'cy to at least consider this type of move. I want a monopoly on Josh Allens. Edited March 23, 2019 by Philo Beddoe 2 3 1
Virgil Posted March 23, 2019 Author Posted March 23, 2019 I’m torn between trading up for a Williams or Allen or having them stay put, get a OT at 9, then trade back into the first to get a TE. From there, just find another Milano because that’s so easy for them to do ?
SouthNYfan Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 35 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: I'd absolutely do it for Josh Allen. Not only because I believe he's the best player in this draft, but because he immediately catapults the Bills pass rush from lackluster to elite. I think we filled enough holes via FA'cy to at least consider this type of move. I want him solely for the fact that nobody's going to know which Allen threads are talking about ?? 1 1
Pete Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, Logic said: I'd rather see them add 5 high quality players that they really like, even if it means using their extra 4th and 5th rounders to move up a few times. I don't need to see 10 players added. They won't be able to find roster spots for 10 players. I don't expect them to draft more than 7 players at most. Beane and McDermott's recent draft history also shows that they like moving up in the early rounds if the price is right (Dawkins, Zay, Allen, and Edmunds were all selected after trade-ups). I predict we trade back into the 1st for a player, and possibly again in the second. And I predict that somehow we end up with some 2020 picks 1
OldTimer1960 Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 Their 2 4ths might get them into the back end of the 3rd if they wanted. If the right player was still available after their 2nd pick, they might be able to trade their 3rd and both 4ths to get back to the middle of the 2nd. 1 minute ago, Pete said: I predict we trade back into the 1st for a player, and possibly again in the second. And I predict that somehow we end up with some 2020 picks They don’t really have enough value in picks to do both.
NewEra Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 I’d prefer to trade both of our 7th and our 6 to move up. Maybe a fifth, depending on who we are trading up for.
Just Joshin' Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 I would stay at 9 as a good player will fall to them. In the other rounds based on their board, move up if they see value in doing so. With the free agent signings I am not worried so much about volume as quality.
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Virgil said: For the first time in a long time, we are going into an offseason with a lot of cash and not a lot of spots to fill. Yes, we can upgrade, but the end result will be the same of having to make some tough choices come camp time. I’m taking a lot of signings with a grain of salt because I know they have to win the job. As much as I want them to sign some more guys, it will be tough without a job to guarantee. With that being said, here’s my “would ya?” Are you good with packaging picks to move up a few times in the draft? Instead of picks, what if we only walked away with 4, but it’s a top 5 pick, 2nd, 4th and 7th? (I’m guessing at trade results). But with the lack of holes, would you be okay sacrificing quantity picks for a home run, ie Josh Allen or Williams? I’m going to trust the process, but with such a deep TE draft, I’d be okay with them trying to add an impact defensive player by trading up a bit. Thoughts? Try and go get Bosa then Hockenson, it can be done.
Saxum Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 I'd rather they trade picks for future picks following year. Usually when you do that you move up a round and right now I think there will be enough new players in camp trying to adjust to system.
BillsFan1988 Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Virgil said: For the first time in a long time, we are going into an offseason with a lot of cash and not a lot of spots to fill. Yes, we can upgrade, but the end result will be the same of having to make some tough choices come camp time. I’m taking a lot of signings with a grain of salt because I know they have to win the job. As much as I want them to sign some more guys, it will be tough without a job to guarantee. With that being said, here’s my “would ya?” Are you good with packaging picks to move up a few times in the draft? Instead of picks, what if we only walked away with 4, but it’s a top 5 pick, 2nd, 4th and 7th? (I’m guessing at trade results). But with the lack of holes, would you be okay sacrificing quantity picks for a home run, ie Josh Allen or Williams? I’m going to trust the process, but with such a deep TE draft, I’d be okay with them trying to add an impact defensive player by trading up a bit. Thoughts? #9 Ed Oliver #22 Trade with Baltimore Send #2nd 40, 3rd 74th , 4th & 5th Draft TJ Hockenson
formerlyofCtown Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Forward Progress said: I don’t see how we move into the top five while holding onto our second round pick, but I agree with the main point, which is we are in a position to trade away picks to move up the draft board. I see this playing out when there is player who stands out on the Bills draft board that they feel is worth sacrificing a later pick to go up and get (I.e. Edmunds last year). I don't see us trading up in the first as after the first three or four picks, as the drop off from one player to the next doesn’t appear to be huge. We could still trade back in the first, if the trade partner overpays to move up (eg Washington trading up from 15 for a QB). After the first pick, we are more likely to trade up for the players standing out on the Bills board. We don’t need 10 rookies this year, so going after quality instead of quantity makes sense to me. We would have to use next years capital to move up to top 5. That is an expensive trade. 1
LSHMEAB Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 I would be SHOCKED if Beane gave up 2019 draft capital to acquire picks NEXT season. As much faith as there is in this particular regime, they understand full well the time to win is now.
Chuck Wagon Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Virgil said: I’m torn between trading up for a Williams or Allen or having them stay put, get a OT at 9, then trade back into the first to get a TE. From there, just find another Milano because that’s so easy for them to do ? That's the strategy I like. Take BPA defensive front 7 at 9 then move back up to make sure to get a guy like Metcalf / Hockenson / Fant or one of the OTs.
Gugny Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Virgil said: For the first time in a long time, we are going into an offseason with a lot of cash and not a lot of spots to fill. Yes, we can upgrade, but the end result will be the same of having to make some tough choices come camp time. I’m taking a lot of signings with a grain of salt because I know they have to win the job. As much as I want them to sign some more guys, it will be tough without a job to guarantee. With that being said, here’s my “would ya?” Are you good with packaging picks to move up a few times in the draft? Instead of picks, what if we only walked away with 4, but it’s a top 5 pick, 2nd, 4th and 7th? (I’m guessing at trade results). But with the lack of holes, would you be okay sacrificing quantity picks for a home run, ie Josh Allen or Williams? I’m going to trust the process, but with such a deep TE draft, I’d be okay with them trying to add an impact defensive player by trading up a bit. Thoughts? The only thing I don't want to see is a first pick after 9. I don't see any trade down scenario that would make me happy. And yes ... I would. I'd totally be down with making moves to get fewer, but higher quality, picks. 1
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