Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 You know what was awesome about Barack Obama? He gave Donald Trump JUST the tool to destroy the people who tried to remove him from office: The IRS. I suggest he use it. 1
KRC Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 14 hours ago, Foxx said: https://twitter.com/ChadPergram/status/1109934207499943936 They forgot to add, "However, we are in a perfect position to make those objective determinations about the report." 1
/dev/null Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: You know what was awesome about Barack Obama? He gave Donald Trump JUST the tool to destroy the people who tried to remove him from office: The IRS. I suggest he use it. I agree that Obama handed Trump a powerful weapon but cannot disagree more on how to wield it As the target of a weaponized bureaucracy Trump is well positioned to issue an Executive Order requiring increased oversight of FISA warrants and surveillance on American citizens Trump should fix the problem rather than follow the precedent of his failed predecessor 6 2 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, /dev/null said: I agree that Obama handed Trump a powerful weapon but cannot disagree more on how to wield it As the target of a weaponized bureaucracy Trump is well positioned to issue an Executive Order requiring increased oversight of FISA warrants and surveillance on American citizens Trump should fix the problem rather than follow the precedent of his failed predecessor How gracious. Also, foolish. Because don't think for a minute the opposition won't abuse whatever power they have to try and continue their resistance.
3rdnlng Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: How gracious. Also, foolish. Because don't think for a minute the opposition won't abuse whatever power they have to try and continue their resistance. Your shortsightedness cannot be improved upon. 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: You know what was awesome about Barack Obama? He gave Donald Trump JUST the tool to destroy the people who tried to remove him from office: The IRS. I suggest he use it. 1 I sincerely hope not. Weaponizing the IRS against "political enemies" (ie, everyday people; tea party, conservative groups, etc) should not be done. I thought it was one of the scummier things the Obama Administration did, and that administration did a whole lot of horrible things. 6 2
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: Your shortsightedness cannot be improved upon. The ROT at the center of the unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy must at ANY cost be removed. By any means necessary. These people (Strzock, Comey, et al) attempted to resist the will of the people and cannot be allowed to continue in government service. Ever. Whatever it takes, they must both be removed and rendered incapable of being a threat to our Republic.
3rdnlng Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: The ROT at the center of the unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy must at ANY cost be removed. By any means necessary. These people (Strzock, Comey, et al) attempted to resist the will of the people and cannot be allowed to continue in government service. Ever. Whatever it takes, they must both be removed and rendered incapable of being a threat to our Republic. You are just proposing replacing one dictator with another. We need to do the hard work of sticking to our laws to correct the malfeasance that has happened. You actually want to fight fire with more fire. You would be a fine warrior during war but would insure that we never had peace. 2
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: The ROT at the center of the unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy must at ANY cost be removed. By any means necessary. These people (Strzock, Comey, et al) attempted to resist the will of the people and cannot be allowed to continue in government service. Ever. Whatever it takes, they must both be removed and rendered incapable of being a threat to our Republic. You're suggesting that the rot can be removed by normalizing extra-Constititional behaviors, and enshrining an absolute dictatorship. This is stupid and incredibly short sighted, Joe. If you want to solve the problem you cannot begin by exacerbating it. If you want the rule of law to prevail you cannot begin by breaking the law. 5
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: You are just proposing replacing one dictator with another. We need to do the hard work of sticking to our laws to correct the malfeasance that has happened. You actually want to fight fire with more fire. You would be a fine warrior during war but would insure that we never had peace. Maybe if we all hold hands and work together, it'll get better. 5 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: You're suggesting that the rot can be removed by normalizing extra-Constititional behaviors, and enshrining an absolute dictatorship. This is stupid and incredibly short sighted, Joe. If you want to solve the problem you cannot begin by exacerbating it. If you want the rule of law to prevail you cannot begin by breaking the law. See my above response.
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: See my above response. Name all of the dictatorships in the world under which the people live well, and are protected from gross overreaches of their government.
3rdnlng Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Maybe if we all hold hands and work together, it'll get better. Maybe, but I suggest we just follow our laws and see what happens. You'll notice that I responded in a civil manner rather than telling you to go ***** yourself. Which response makes you more amiable to solving the problem at hand? 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, TakeYouToTasker said: Name all of the dictatorships in the world under which the people live well, and are protected from gross overreaches of their government. Well, I can think of at least one place where government is more authoritarian than ours and the people live fairly well because of it: Singapore. That's pretty much it, though. 1
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Well, I can think of at least one place where government is more authoritarian than ours and the people live fairly well because of it: Singapore. That's pretty much it, though. And why is that, Joe? Why don't people enjoy protections from government overreach and generally live well under dictatorships?
Gavin in Va Beach Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 30 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Pretty sure one of those actually says - "Mynd you, møøse bites Kan be pretti nasti..." 3
GG Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Well, I can think of at least one place where government is more authoritarian than ours and the people live fairly well because of it: Singapore. That's pretty much it, though. Singapore? You're going to use an anomalous city state as the example to set for a vast multi-racial and multi-cultural country? That's as dumb as morons using Denmark as the shining example of socialism.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: And why is that, Joe? Why don't people enjoy protections from government overreach and generally live well under dictatorships? Because they're dictatorships? You know, you speak awfully highly of the rule of law. And you might be surprised to know that in theory, I agree with you. In a perfect world, where the playing field is actually level, the rule of law is a wonderful thing. I just think you're fooling yourself if you think there aren't hideous double-standards in our current system that render a complete tear-down necessary.
Taro T Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: You know what was awesome about Barack Obama? He gave Donald Trump JUST the tool to destroy the people who tried to remove him from office: The IRS. I suggest he use it. How about rather than that, we let Huber & the others do their job and see how it all plays out? A lot of what was done to set up then candidate Trump (& candidate Sanders & others) was already illegal. Let the process work. And while that's going on, figure out what adjustments need to be made to the laws (if any). Huber has already been working on this for over 1 year. Don't start skirting the law right when things are starting to look up. Would make the good guys just as bad as the bad guys. And the last 2 years would all be for naught. Democracy would be dead. 2
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