njbuff Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 If Trump colluded with Russia, then I am banging Kate Upton.
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 So Trump is afraid to have anyone testify. The guy who claims to be the most transparent President ever is basically a whack a mole clown trying to hide everything. How will this clown debate anyone?
Nanker Posted May 6, 2019 Author Posted May 6, 2019 Well, what do you know. Another day and still NO COLLUSION!!!! 2 1
Koko78 Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 I really question what Mueller's game is. It seems that he knew back in 2017 that there was no collusion, but kept the "investigation" going for another year+, clearly influencing the 2018 mid-term elections. Now that he comes out with his report, he refuses to do his job and make a decision on the "obstruction" nonsense (he was obligated to explain his prosecution/declination decisions, not to punt without explanation), after laying out a number of incidents that could only be prosecutable under a highly dubious reinterpretation of the statute. He has done everything he can to muddy the waters and keep this nonsense going for another 6 years. 5
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 On 5/6/2019 at 2:45 PM, Koko78 said: I really question what Mueller's game is. It seems that he knew back in 2017 that there was no collusion, but kept the "investigation" going for another year+, clearly influencing the 2018 mid-term elections. Now that he comes out with his report, he refuses to do his job and make a decision on the "obstruction" nonsense (he was obligated to explain his prosecution/declination decisions, not to punt without explanation), after laying out a number of incidents that could only be prosecutable under a highly dubious reinterpretation of the statute. He has done everything he can to muddy the waters and keep this nonsense going for another 6 years. Expand What makes you say that? His report makes clear they could not find enough evidence, though both sides wanted to work together. The report basically states they there were buffers in between them. So, honestly, where did you get that point from? Oh, and since Trump can't stop Mueller from testifying, looks like we will get an answer.
keepthefaith Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 On 5/6/2019 at 2:45 PM, Koko78 said: I really question what Mueller's game is. It seems that he knew back in 2017 that there was no collusion, but kept the "investigation" going for another year+, clearly influencing the 2018 mid-term elections. Now that he comes out with his report, he refuses to do his job and make a decision on the "obstruction" nonsense (he was obligated to explain his prosecution/declination decisions, not to punt without explanation), after laying out a number of incidents that could only be prosecutable under a highly dubious reinterpretation of the statute. He has done everything he can to muddy the waters and keep this nonsense going for another 6 years. Expand Not to mention dragging out the investigation continued some healthy paychecks for all the investigators involved.
Deranged Rhino Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 On 5/6/2019 at 2:45 PM, Koko78 said: I really question what Mueller's game is. It seems that he knew back in 2017 that there was no collusion, but kept the "investigation" going for another year+, clearly influencing the 2018 mid-term elections. Now that he comes out with his report, he refuses to do his job and make a decision on the "obstruction" nonsense (he was obligated to explain his prosecution/declination decisions, not to punt without explanation), after laying out a number of incidents that could only be prosecutable under a highly dubious reinterpretation of the statute. He has done everything he can to muddy the waters and keep this nonsense going for another 6 years. Expand Trump is trolling Nadler, daring him to call Mueller to testify -- which I think is a big giveaway. If he does testify (and I think he will) I don't expect it to go the way Nadler thinks it will, but either way we'll get an answer then what his game really is when he does. I'm still in the camp that posits Mueller is trying to save his own ass, and has been from the start. His game is self preservation from what's coming next, which is the boomerang. 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 On 5/6/2019 at 2:45 PM, Koko78 said: He has done everything he can to muddy the waters and keep this nonsense going for another 6 years. Expand You answered your own question. 1
Koko78 Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 On 5/6/2019 at 3:01 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Trump is trolling Nadler, daring him to call Mueller to testify -- which I think is a big giveaway. If he does testify (and I think he will) I don't expect it to go the way Nadler thinks it will, but either way we'll get an answer then what his game really is when he does. I'm still in the camp that posits Mueller is trying to save his own ass, and has been from the start. His game is self preservation from what's coming next, which is the boomerang. Expand I can accept that Mueller is trying to save his own ass, and that might explain why he was intentionally vague with the obstruction thing (the longer it goes, the more he keeps his name on everyone's lips - which keeps him from being a target.) However, I don't think that he's a 'white hat', especially since he went out of his way to muddy the waters with the report. He's not a stupid man, he damn well knew that leaving the 'obstruction' question open-ended like he did would do nothing but inflame the situation and prolong the political nonsense. People wanted closure, one way or the other, and he went out of his way to insure that there was not going to be any. On 5/6/2019 at 3:06 PM, Buffalo_Gal said: You answered your own question. Expand Fair enough, but what I was getting at is what is he getting out of doing so? What's his endgame? 4
DC Tom Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 On 5/6/2019 at 2:16 PM, Buffalo_Gal said: Expand Refresh my memory: what were the repercussions when Holder was held in contempt? Oh yeah, that's right...not a damned thing. I'm sure Barr is terrified of this development. 2
Koko78 Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 On 5/6/2019 at 3:08 PM, DC Tom said: Refresh my memory: what were the repercussions when Holder was held in contempt? Oh yeah, that's right...not a damned thing. I'm sure Barr is terrified of this development. Expand This is just another painfully transparent political stunt by Nadler. Part distraction from 'no collusion', and part retribution for the GOP legitimately holding Holder in contempt for being an asshat. A referral to the DOJ is meaningless, and an attempt to bring him before the full House for punishment (which they can do) would be overturned by the Courts immediately. Congress cannot order someone to violate Federal law. 1
DC Tom Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 On 5/6/2019 at 3:16 PM, Koko78 said: and an attempt to bring him before the full House for punishment (which they can do) would be overturned by the Courts immediately. Congress cannot order someone to violate Federal law. Expand But I hope they try, so the courts can explicitly say that. 1
row_33 Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 But they still hold the house and probably get an impeachment if they really want to bother with it
Koko78 Posted May 6, 2019 Posted May 6, 2019 On 5/6/2019 at 3:23 PM, row_33 said: But they still hold the house and probably get an impeachment if they really want to bother with it Expand I hope they do, with either Barr or Trump. The trial before the Senate would be a hoot. 1
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