RaoulDuke79 Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, The Senator said: There is no NRA, one of the most powerful lobbies in the world . Thank god.
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 6 hours ago, Gugny said: Another survivor committed suicide yesterday. Reportedly a sophomore in high school. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article228350134.html Should I ask the question or get the pious one's all upset again... Maybe I will just read the article. 31 minutes ago, Bad Things said: First of all, we don't have the second amendment here. Gun ownership is a privilege and not a "right". Before the government even announced the new gun laws, the nations biggest chain of hunting stores voluntarily decided to remove all "assault" type weapons from their shelves. Yeah, thank heavens is right... I honestly thank God every day that we moved here. 14 years now. Absolutely love it. Oh... maybe you were also being sarcastic. Did you know that it only took Australia to change their gun laws 12 days after their last massacre in 1996? You probably didn't. 1996 was their last massacre? How many since? That's almost 25 freaking years ago. How many since? By the way you phrased it, I take zero?
Bad Things Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, bbb said: How does a law get passed in those countries vs. the US? These new gun laws are a bit unique since it has just about complete public support, in addition... all political parties are supporting it. Can you imagine having a government where parties get along and try to work with one another for the common good? The bill generally gets debated in Parliament and if passed, becomes law (Act of Parliament). Just curious if American media is reporting that the shooter was actually an Australian who moved to NZ to specifically do this heinous act? He moved here a couple years ago and was able to legally buy these assault weapons and isn't even a NZ citizen. Not good. One of the most frustrating/annoying things about this all is how the American NRA has put "boots on the ground" in NZ to try to influence NZ politics. Kiwi's are pissed. Just leave us the hell alone, NRA. 8 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: 1996 was their last massacre? How many since? That's almost 25 freaking years ago. How many since? By the way you phrased it, I take zero? Correct. There have not been any since then. "The University of Sydney, in a 2016 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, found Australia hadn't experienced a fatal mass shooting – one in which five or more people are killed – since the 1996 shooting. In the 18 years prior, 1979-1996, there were 13 fatal mass shootings in Australia." 1
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 24, 2019 Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bad Things said: These new gun laws are a bit unique since it has just about complete public support, in addition... all political parties are supporting it. Can you imagine having a government where parties get along and try to work with one another for the common good? The bill generally gets debated in Parliament and if passed, becomes law (Act of Parliament). Just curious if American media is reporting that the shooter was actually an Australian who moved to NZ to specifically do this heinous act? He moved here a couple years ago and was able to legally buy these assault weapons and isn't even a NZ citizen. Not good. One of the most frustrating/annoying things about this all is how the American NRA has put "boots on the ground" in NZ to try to influence NZ politics. Kiwi's are pissed. Just leave us the hell alone, NRA. There is 5 million people in NZ. There are 10 million people from WI-IL-IN area... 325.25 million in US. Just saying.
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, Bad Things said: These new gun laws are a bit unique since it has just about complete public support, in addition... all political parties are supporting it. Can you imagine having a government where parties get along and try to work with one another for the common good? The bill generally gets debated in Parliament and if passed, becomes law (Act of Parliament). Just curious if American media is reporting that the shooter was actually an Australian who moved to NZ to specifically do this heinous act? He moved here a couple years ago and was able to legally buy these assault weapons and isn't even a NZ citizen. Not good. One of the most frustrating/annoying things about this all is how the American NRA has put "boots on the ground" in NZ to try to influence NZ politics. Kiwi's are pissed. Just leave us the hell alone, NRA. Correct. There have not been any since then. "The University of Sydney, in a 2016 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, found Australia hadn't experienced a fatal mass shooting – one in which five or more people are killed – since the 1996 shooting. In the 18 years prior, 1979-1996, there were 13 fatal mass shootings in Australia." No....they're still trying to get out of their collective shellshock over the results of the Mueller report. 1 2
bbb Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 47 minutes ago, Bad Things said: These new gun laws are a bit unique since it has just about complete public support, in addition... all political parties are supporting it. Can you imagine having a government where parties get along and try to work with one another for the common good? The bill generally gets debated in Parliament and if passed, becomes law (Act of Parliament). Thanks.
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 44 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: No....they're still trying to get out of their collective shellshock over the results of the Mueller report. Dude. It's PTSD. Get with the times! ?
The Senator Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Thank god. I am the NRA. If you lived in a rural state, Texas for example, you’d want a rifle in your house for your wife to protect herself, and your kids, while you’re out working on the ranch all day. As always, JMO .
Turk71 Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 3 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: There is 5 million people in NZ. There are 10 million people from WI-IL-IN area... 325.25 million in US. Just saying. That's true it is not as easy to govern so many, but the concept that political parties work together for a common good is the antithesis of our country right now. People seem more concerned about their political 'team' 'winning' more than the common good or even their own best interest. Divide and conquer, the people argue like 12 year olds while the country and its future continue to be ransacked and looted. 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Bad Things said: First of all, we don't have the second amendment here. Gun ownership is a privilege and not a "right". Before the government even announced the new gun laws, the nations biggest chain of hunting stores voluntarily decided to remove all "assault" type weapons from their shelves. Yeah, thank heavens is right... I honestly thank God every day that we moved here. 14 years now. Absolutely love it. Oh... maybe you were also being sarcastic. Did you know that it only took Australia to change their gun laws 12 days after their last massacre in 1996? You probably didn't. Yeah, actually I did. You see, you're a loyal subject of the crown and you like it. That's fine. Being subject to the whim of government works for you. Just make sure you properly address your betters; "if it pleases the queen, may I continue to own my own property?" How "civilized." Edited March 25, 2019 by Joe in Winslow
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Turk71 said: That's true it is not as easy to govern so many, but the concept that political parties work together for a common good is the antithesis of our country right now. People seem more concerned about their political 'team' 'winning' more than the common good or even their own best interest. Let me guess: you're a democrat. Because only a democrat would have the temerity to try and tell me what my best interest is. That is the reason we have a political divide in this country. One side wishes to force depravity, er I mean "progress" on the other. Edited March 25, 2019 by Joe in Winslow 1
Gugny Posted March 25, 2019 Author Posted March 25, 2019 The manner and speed in which the discussion on this topic has devolved is a great example of why it's so difficult to get anywhere. Jesus. 3
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: The manner and speed in which the discussion on this topic has devolved is a great example of why it's so difficult to get anywhere. Jesus. Sorry, I'm not about to have my knowledge questioned by an overbearingly virtuous guy who left the US for New Zealand. I'll try to be nicer to Her Majesty's loyal subject in the future. 2
Foxx Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Gugny said: The manner and speed in which the discussion on this topic has devolved is a great example of why it's so difficult to get anywhere. Jesus. what is the solution/alternative, Gugs? censorship? no, if you don't like the direction something is taking, steer it where you want it to go. you did start this thread after all. Edited March 25, 2019 by Foxx
Gugny Posted March 25, 2019 Author Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Foxx said: what is the alternative, Gugs? censorship? no, if you don't like the direction something is taking, steer it where you want it to go. you did start this thread after all. Hell no to censorship. It's all good/relevant conversation (especially bringing the NRA into it). I'd just like to see less finger-pointing and more discussing what is wrong and how it can possibly be fixed. As much as a topic like this should not be politicized, there's really no avoiding it. Fergy's post above captures the real meaning for posting about this. But a discussion about guns and violence needs to be had. I just didn't think it was going to happen in this thread. 1
Foxx Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: Hell no to censorship. It's all good/relevant conversation (especially bringing the NRA into it). I'd just like to see less finger-pointing and more discussing what is wrong and how it can possibly be fixed. As much as a topic like this should not be politicized, there's really no avoiding it. Fergy's post above captures the real meaning for posting about this. But a discussion about guns and violence needs to be had. I just didn't think it was going to happen in this thread. cheers
apuszczalowski Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gugny said: Hell no to censorship. It's all good/relevant conversation (especially bringing the NRA into it). I'd just like to see less finger-pointing and more discussing what is wrong and how it can possibly be fixed. As much as a topic like this should not be politicized, there's really no avoiding it. Fergy's post above captures the real meaning for posting about this. But a discussion about guns and violence needs to be had. I just didn't think it was going to happen in this thread. You are never going to get a conversation without finger pointing Most of us outside your country can't understand why everyone in the US feels the need to carry a gun everywhere because we dont live in a place where we feel the need to be worried that if we left our wife and children inside our home for a minute, someone will break in and rape/murder them, or that if we didnt have a gun, the country would be taken over, or the government would enslave us all. Edited March 25, 2019 by apuszczalowski
Teddy KGB Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: You are never going to get a conversation without finger pointing Most of us outside your country can't understand why everyone in the US feels the need to carry a gun everywhere because we dont live in a place where we feel the need to be worried that if we left our wife and children inside our home for a minute, someone will break in and rape/murder them, or that if we didnt have a gun, the country would be taken over, or the government would enslave us all. Theres no raping or crime where you live ?
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Gugny said: Hell no to censorship. It's all good/relevant conversation (especially bringing the NRA into it). I'd just like to see less finger-pointing and more discussing what is wrong and how it can possibly be fixed. As much as a topic like this should not be politicized, there's really no avoiding it. Fergy's post above captures the real meaning for posting about this. But a discussion about guns and violence needs to be had. I just didn't think it was going to happen in this thread. Sorry... I am guilty of the finger pointing. I will try better not to do that. How do you get people to capture the real meaning? Stop thinking about themselves first. It's like a wild west saloon out there and nobody is checking their weapon. There has to be be full compliance. Heck, you can't even get people to wait @ a red light when there is no traffic around! What's the answer for the Surly Joe's of the world? 8 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Theres no raping or crime where you live ? There is no paranoia. 1
apuszczalowski Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Theres no raping or crime where you live ? Not enough where people fear that they need to be armed 24/7 to protect themselves because they believe everyone is out there waiting to rape or kill them...... 2
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