Full Intelligent Breakdown of DK Metcalf

[Alphadawg7]

18 minutes ago, HomeTeam said:

Thanks you for this. We all need to be reminded again how bad our run defense was at times. That New England game was an atrociously painful memory.

 

 

Lets also remember our run D got worse when Milano got hurt.  So we were not at full strength in general.  

[Solomon Grundy]

10 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

I’d rather get a guy in the 2nd round that has more reliable hands ...and trust me, there will be plenty of really good talent...

You guys act as though OBJ, Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, Deandre Hopkins never dropped a pass. It happens. Get Josh the pieces he need to ascend to the next level. There is NO ONE in this draft with the size, strength and speed of Metcalf. If he's there at 9, he has to be taken. IMO Jeffrey Simmons is better than Ed Oliver and can probably be had in the 2nd round due to his injury

[HomeTeam]

12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Lets also remember our run D got worse when Milano got hurt.  So we were not at full strength in general.  

Fair enough, I'm sure that did not help but let's not pretend that's the sole reason why we got gashed. 

 

We need someone who can get in the backfield consistently/ generate pressure up the middle. Ed Oliver could be that remedy. 

 

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[JM57]

2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

Sure but you could say that about literally any prospect besides maybe Quinnen Williams.

 

If Hockenson is only a decent starter, then by your standards, he’s a colossal waste. If a pass rusher turns into a 3rd down specialist, he’s a colossal waste. If an offensive linemen turns into a swing tackle, he’s a colossal waste. 

 

Drafting a guy whose range, imo, is between a solid starter and an elite WR is about as high floor and high ceiling of a prospect you’ll find. 

It's YOUR opinion that his floor is solid starter. A deep ball specialist is not a solid starter to most, and that IS his floor 

[RocCityRoller]

I watched the video.

 

I'm not a DK Metcalf fan at all.

 

His drops, lack of concentration, limited route tree, lack of lateral ability, injuries, and lack of production make me wary.

 

I don't want him at 9 with a deep DL/Edge/TE/WR draft.

 

In a weaker draft, yes. At #20 yes.

 

But this draft has so much top end D-line/ Edge/ TE talent in the draft get a producer at #9.

 

Plenty of good WR will be there @41.

 

Still a fail at #9 IMO.

Edited March 20, 2019 by RocCityRoller

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Lets also remember our run D got worse when Milano got hurt.  So we were not at full strength in general.  

I can't even tell you who our backup LBs were by the end of the year. Depth in our front 7 has been a problem for quite a while. Hopefully, they'll be in a little better position if we lose one or two guys up there this season.

[QuoteTheRaven83]

On 3/19/2019 at 12:14 PM, Mat68 said:

The reason his production is less were due to injury.  When on the field he was productive at a level expected from a prospect of his caliber.  With another wr prospect on his team defenses choose to double team Metcalf over Brown.  His total stats not reaching plateaus of your liking doesnt make him any less a prospect.  Like it or not Metcalf's physical attributes are in the rare category of Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones.  His style of play resembles that of Randy Moss.  The only reason he should not be strongly considered at 9 is if he has any lingering issues medically.  

 

The best WR's are often double teamed and always produce. I'm pretty sure Calvin was double teamed in college but he managed to produce. So you're saying DK can't produce when double teamed and he's also injury prone? Thanks, but I'll pass. Stop comparing him to Calvin and Julio. Their athletic abilities can be compared but not their ability to play the game. Julio and Calvin's college production speaks for itself.

 

You guys are so hypocritical. You guys want DK because he's a freak, big, fast, jumps high but lacks the stats to back it up. The same fans that didn't want Josh Allen because he's got a cannon for an arm, big, fast,  but lacks the accuracy and completion percentage to play at the next level. I find that amusing.

 

 

On 3/19/2019 at 9:11 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Lets also remember our run D got worse when Milano got hurt.  So we were not at full strength in general.  

 

I've already explained myself why his breakdown is pure fluff and BS. No need for the confused reaction to my post.

Edited March 21, 2019 by QuoteTheRaven83

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

I've already explained myself why his breakdown is pure fluff and BS. No need for the confused reaction to my post.

 

You can explain it all you want, doesn't mean your explanation makes sense, hence my emoticon response.  You refute a video breakdown of actual game film with a blanket comment of they didn't have the same college production.  If you think stats tell you a better story than film study, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

I don't think much of stat sheet analysts coming on and saying a guy wont be this or that because of stat sheet comparisons.  There is nothing more unreliable than only relying on stats to analyze football players.  No disrespect, but you just saying the comparison is ridiculous to Julio and Calvin because of college production is a pretty shallow review of the comparison.  Stats mislead and lie.  Film does not.  

 

If we listened to stat sheet heroes opinions of players, Josh Allen would have been an UDFA last year instead of the 7th overall pick in the NFL draft.  Quoting stats lacks any context or information.  

 

If Josh Allen isn't enough of an example to refute your stats claim against DK...lets look at yet another Buffalo Bill.  How many people here on this board keep saying Zay Jones really came on down the stretch last year?  Why?  Because they think he had back to back good games looking at a game log, but its wrong...the week 16 Pats game was one of his worst games of the year, but a garbage time TD makes that stat sheet look like he did well in a loss, which he did NOT.

 

Actually 3 of his last 4 games were terrible, including his worst game in his career and another that was easily one of his worst games of 2018.  

 

Our last 4 games of the season:

• Week 14 - Jets - 3 catches on 9 targets for 22 yards.  Terrible
• Week 15 - Lions - 1 catch on 6 targets for 11 yards.  Probably worst game of his career.  Slay dominated him as much as a DB can ever dominate a WR.
• Week 16 - Pats - 5 catches on 9 targets for 67 yards, 1 TD.  MISLEADING.  4 catches or 36 yards on 8 targets with 1:17 left in the game down 24-6.  Gets garbage 31 yard TD when no one covers him on broken coverage.  One of his worst games of the year.
• Week 17 - Dolphins - 6 catches on 9 attempts for 93 years and 2 TD's.  Only good game down the stretch, but it was also a week 17 game against an awful Miami team who mailed it in and didn't bother to show up to play.  

I don't see a guy who came on over the last stretch, I see a terrible stretch of games that was saved by one gimme game in week 17 against a bad team who had quit on its head coach already.  

 

BUT>>>>>>>>Stat sheet analysts think the Pats game was a "good" game yet he was utter trash that game was physically dominated until the game was over and saved his "stat line" with a broken play that was meaningless.  In fact, Zay only had 2 good games at all with Josh and both were against the woeful Dolphins.  

 

STATS are NOT reliable as the sole point of analysis.  They are 100% devoid of context.

Edited March 21, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Da webster guy]

On 3/19/2019 at 4:14 AM, BillsFan1988 said:

U can't knee jerk to one example of getting our butt whipped by the Pat's.  If your looking for help look to free agency if your looking for difference makers then look to the draft. 

 

That's kind of what I'm saying.   We need a difference maker on defense, and Metcalf is going in the 1st so we can't have both.   

My vote is best run stopper we can get in the 1st.

[BringMetheHeadofLeonLett]

Any relation to Eric Metcalf? ... promising player, but couldn't last a single play in TB.    

 

Another season would start  for the Browns, and first play Metcalf would get carted off haha.  If injuries are a concern, I'll have to defer to Tecmo on this on- so please just no

[Reed83HOF]

I still see nothing intelligent in here. Mods - misleading title 

[BADOLBILZ]

15 minutes ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said:

Any relation to Eric Metcalf? ... promising player, but couldn't last a single play in TB.    

 

Another season would start  for the Browns, and first play Metcalf would get carted off haha.  If injuries are a concern, I'll have to defer to Tecmo on this on- so please just no

 

 

DK's dad Terrence was an offensive lineman drafted in 3rd round of 2002 draft and played 7 years in NFL.

 

DK and his dad claim that Terry and Eric........the pro bowl father/son RB's......are cousins of theirs.   

[gobills1212]

On 3/20/2019 at 10:44 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You can explain it all you want, doesn't mean your explanation makes sense, hence my emoticon response.  You refute a video breakdown of actual game film with a blanket comment of they didn't have the same college production.  If you think stats tell you a better story than film study, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

I don't think much of stat sheet analysts coming on and saying a guy wont be this or that because of stat sheet comparisons.  There is nothing more unreliable than only relying on stats to analyze football players.  No disrespect, but you just saying the comparison is ridiculous to Julio and Calvin because of college production is a pretty shallow review of the comparison.  Stats mislead and lie.  Film does not.  

 

If we listened to stat sheet heroes opinions of players, Josh Allen would have been an UDFA last year instead of the 7th overall pick in the NFL draft.  Quoting stats lacks any context or information.  

 

If Josh Allen isn't enough of an example to refute your stats claim against DK...lets look at yet another Buffalo Bill.  How many people here on this board keep saying Zay Jones really came on down the stretch last year?  Why?  Because they think he had back to back good games looking at a game log, but its wrong...the week 16 Pats game was one of his worst games of the year, but a garbage time TD makes that stat sheet look like he did well in a loss, which he did NOT.

 

Actually 3 of his last 4 games were terrible, including his worst game in his career and another that was easily one of his worst games of 2018.  

 

Our last 4 games of the season:

• Week 14 - Jets - 3 catches on 9 targets for 22 yards.  Terrible
• Week 15 - Lions - 1 catch on 6 targets for 11 yards.  Probably worst game of his career.  Slay dominated him as much as a DB can ever dominate a WR.
• Week 16 - Pats - 5 catches on 9 targets for 67 yards, 1 TD.  MISLEADING.  4 catches or 36 yards on 8 targets with 1:17 left in the game down 24-6.  Gets garbage 31 yard TD when no one covers him on broken coverage.  One of his worst games of the year.
• Week 17 - Dolphins - 6 catches on 9 attempts for 93 years and 2 TD's.  Only good game down the stretch, but it was also a week 17 game against an awful Miami team who mailed it in and didn't bother to show up to play.  

I don't see a guy who came on over the last stretch, I see a terrible stretch of games that was saved by one gimme game in week 17 against a bad team who had quit on its head coach already.  

 

BUT>>>>>>>>Stat sheet analysts think the Pats game was a "good" game yet he was utter trash that game was physically dominated until the game was over and saved his "stat line" with a broken play that was meaningless.  In fact, Zay only had 2 good games at all with Josh and both were against the woeful Dolphins.  

 

STATS are NOT reliable as the sole point of analysis.  They are 100% devoid of context.

Whatever you do, dont post this at The Gang Green lol. For Jets fans, context isnt a thing. Absolutely blows me away!

[Reed83HOF]

 

[DCOrange]

8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

DK's dad Terrence was an offensive lineman drafted in 3rd round of 2002 draft and played 7 years in NFL.

 

DK and his dad claim that Terry and Eric........the pro bowl father/son RB's......are cousins of theirs.   

 

Are you trying to imply that you think they're lying about who their relatives are or is this just really weirdly phrased?

[Alphadawg7]

17 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

Hahahaha I love it.  I’m all on board the DK train at 9.  That being said there are several players I would be stoked to land at 9 too.  

[BADOLBILZ]

13 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

Are you trying to imply that you think they're lying about who their relatives are or is this just really weirdly phrased?

 

Eric Metcalf initially denied it.    Then he says could be but he doesn't know them.

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

Anyone, without an agenda, saw him slip during his 3 cone at the combine.

 

He's the pick at 9, if he's there.  Get ready!

Edited March 29, 2019 by Chicken Boo

[Bray Wyatt]

I take it he improved his 3 cone at the Pro Day?

[Chicken Boo]

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2828513-dk-metcalf-aj-browns-highlights-from-strong-showing-at-ole-miss-pro-day.amp.html

 

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