Kirby Jackson Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 15 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: I haven't seen a Bills coaching staff use players to the best of their abilities in 25 years, so I'm not exactly giving them the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, I can’t believe that they didn’t get more out of Peterman.... 1 3
SouthNYfan Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 36 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Yeah, I can’t believe that they didn’t get more out of Peterman.... He had a Crazy good completion percentage (if you include passes thrown to the other team) Also, technically every int was a compromise e for a 1st down... Even if it was for the opponent ?
Mat68 Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: Calvin and Randy produced in college. DK did not so these are HORRIBLE comparisons and a disrespect to Moss and Calvin. The reason his production is less were due to injury. When on the field he was productive at a level expected from a prospect of his caliber. With another wr prospect on his team defenses choose to double team Metcalf over Brown. His total stats not reaching plateaus of your liking doesnt make him any less a prospect. Like it or not Metcalf's physical attributes are in the rare category of Calvin Johnson, Julio Jones. His style of play resembles that of Randy Moss. The only reason he should not be strongly considered at 9 is if he has any lingering issues medically. 1
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JM57 Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 18 hours ago, Mark80 said: IDK, I kinda think Allen raised his "low floor" up quite a bit with his performance last season, especially in the last quarter of the season. He was making it happen with his legs more than his arm and that should temper our expectations. I'm not trying to be negative, just being a realist. BB knew he was looking to run and pinned him in and that was by far his worst game in the back half of the season. Teams are gonna study that tape. 3 hours ago, DCOrange said: I disagree with the idea that Metcalf is a low floor guy. I actually think that, injuries aside (which you and I simply don't have the access to know about), he's a very high floor WR prospect, much like I thought Allen had a much higher floor than people realized. His floor is as a deep threat specialist if he is unable to develop his route tree at the pro level. That's a pretty low floor especially at #9
DCOrange Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, JM57 said: His floor is as a deep threat specialist if he is unable to develop his route tree at the pro level. That's a pretty low floor especially at #9 I think at worst he’s a very good deep ball guy, which makes him a starting caliber player, especially with Allen. To me, that’s a higher floor than most of the rest of this class. 1
BarleyNY Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 11 hours ago, Scorp83 said: Hmmm ??? They said that about Antonio Brown too... I'm starting to trust our coaching I have a little more faith right now ? That’s ridiculous. AB went 195th. We’re talking about the 9th pick. You can take a chance on a flawed player in later rounds - after all that‘s all that’s there anyway. Most don’t work out, but - rarely - you find an AB or Tom Brady. But why pretend it’s the same thing? And speaking of pretending, amking only one comparison and having that be to one of the absolute best WRs ever, Megatron, is pretty bad. Yes, they’re both physical freaks and likely would be used similarly, but some additional comparisons to players that didn’t put it all together would have been more “intelligent“. Including comparisons to players that had Metcalf’s known issues of drops, lack of college production and injury would have been more accurate. After all, Megatron didn’t have those red flags. Metcalf’s potentially serious neck injury isn’t even mentioned in the clip. I’m not even saying no to Metcalf. He obviously has some elite traits - speed, size and strength - to the table, but whomever drafts him needs to know the risks - hands, injury and change of direction issues. I don’t see it at 9 because I think there will be impact players without those red flags and risks, but I won’t deny his ceiling.
BullBuchanan Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Yeah, I can’t believe that they didn’t get more out of Peterman.... It's almost like they didn't realize the kid couldn't throw an out and had him throw a ton of them. Maybe you should watch this breakdown all the way through.
Kirby Jackson Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: It's almost like they didn't realize the kid couldn't throw an out and had him throw a ton of them. Maybe you should watch this breakdown all the way through. He couldn’t throw an out, an in, a slant, a cross, a screen, a comeback, a hitch, a post, a corner or a go but some people here STILL believed that he was a viable option to play QB. Edited March 19, 2019 by Kirby Jackson 1 1
DuckyBoys Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 those big tall long striders are not going to run great 3 cone times I'm more weary of injury concerns.
Jay_Fixit Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 9 hours ago, jdonley1180 said: Ive read Dez Bryant comparisons, Calvin Johnson comparisons.... Does anyone remember Stephen Hill? Yes, and Justin Hunter. The comparisons to Calvin Johnson are ridiculous. Calvin Johnson was a fantastic college player, Metcalf made a few decent plays. 5 hours ago, JaCrispy said: I’d rather get a guy in the 2nd round that has more reliable hands ...and trust me, there will be plenty of really good talent... Maybe DK’s teammate who was also the better receiver of the two will be available.
Bray Wyatt Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Scorp83 said: I thought that too... but when I saw him do a few slants & 10 yard ins ....I said "Dez can't do that as smooth" I think he's a better route runner then Dez. He may not move like Beasley & Edelman...but neither can, Julio, Megatron & Mike Evans. That was the point of that video... your not drafting him to fix what he can't do, plus the Bills have people for those kinda routes, your drafting him to continue to build his strengths of what he can do (slants, curls, screens, posts & 9 routes). I think that's more then enough to make him one of the best of the NFL. We don't need him to do comeback routes...which is why most WR's don't do the 3 cone drill. Yea...& he couldn't do half the routes DK has on film... 9 routes... that's all he had. Like the video showed... DK literally ran slants, curls, screens, posts & 9 routes... fluently at that. First, thanks for posting the video, I enjoyed it and it makes some good points. I am not against him at 9, I personally think we go DT or Edge at 9. Second, the last bolding (done by me) the guy said in the video that the coach only had him run two routes either a go or a curl and he was angry they didnt have him do more slants. Not that he couldnt, but he didnt (so the video did not necessarily show him much of his route running ability). I think he said he counted like 4 or 5 in the 5 games he charted. His argument was that he only really needs to do those 4 or 5 routes to be effective due to his size/speed combo. Edited March 19, 2019 by Bray Wyatt
Kelly the Dog Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 Finally watched it all. That video was so convincing that I would take N'Keal Harry. 2
Scorp83 Posted March 19, 2019 Author Posted March 19, 2019 59 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: First, thanks for posting the video, I enjoyed it and it makes some good points. I am not against him at 9, I personally think we go DT or Edge at 9. Second, the last bolding (done by me) the guy said in the video that the coach only had him run two routes either a go or a curl and he was angry they didnt have him do more slants. Not that he couldnt, but he didnt (so the video did not necessarily show him much of his route running ability). I think he said he counted like 4 or 5 in the 5 games he charted. His argument was that he only really needs to do those 4 or 5 routes to be effective due to his size/speed combo. I hear you... but they had him run slants, ins & posts at the combine. 6 hours ago, Putin said: The Chiefs are going to trade up ( with us ) to get him ? And we end up taking another CB at 28/29? Then Metcalf goes on to be great & everyone on here will have claimed they were all in on him from the start ???
Coach Tuesday Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Finally watched it all. That video was so convincing that I would take N'Keal Harry. Slants tho. Just like Megatron - slants all day. Impossible to defend a slant. 1
Kelly the Dog Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 33 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Slants tho. Just like Megatron - slants all day. Impossible to defend a slant. He picked one play out of 800 during the season, a play they didn't look to or throw to him, to prove that he could beat coverage to the middle, while admitting that his coaches chose not to ever do that the entire year. Wtf?
JM57 Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 5 hours ago, DCOrange said: I think at worst he’s a very good deep ball guy, which makes him a starting caliber player, especially with Allen. To me, that’s a higher floor than most of the rest of this class. I don't want a deep ball specialist at 9. That's such a colossal waste of a pick if that's what happens in the future. Like I said before. You got your high variance prospect in Allen. Now you should be surrounding him with guys who will DEFINITELY be good because you don't want to be wasting picks and playing time on guys that won't elevate his game
OldTimer1960 Posted March 19, 2019 Posted March 19, 2019 21 hours ago, Scorp83 said: Let's not get crazy... Allen accuracy issues haven't went away... & he ran more then he threw last year too. Yes he showed upside, but he still has to develop a huge chunk of his game. I think he will but just in case it doesn't happen in week 1... DK might be what he needs until he gets comfortable with the rest of his weapons. Plus... I'm happy about John Brown & Beasley... they are definitely upgrades! But that also tell us how bad at the position we were. Brown, Beasley, Zay & Foster... isn't scaring anyone! Now if you add a DK to that mix... yes... that's a little scary. I agree with drafting someone to help us stop the run... its definitely needed! But DT is so deep! We can get a game changing starter in the 2nd or 3rd Rd. No sense in jumping to get something we need at a position that's deep at 9th. That's like drafting Sammy in a WR heavy draft...it wasn't smart then ... & I don't think it's smart now...even if it's a different position Hmmm ??? They said that about Antonio Brown too... I'm starting to trust our coaching I have a little more faith right now ? It isn’t limited to this post, but there is way too much hyperbole about “elite talent”, “generational players”, “game changers”, etc. Likely there will be some very good, maybe great players to come out of this draft, but finding those few that might fit that description is the challenge. In no draft is pick 9 guaranteed (or even likely) to produce a great player - let alone “finding a game changing starter in the 2nd or 3rd”. I’m not saying that there aren’t good players in this draft, but being realistic, if the Bills find a good long term starter at 9 and eventual starters in 2nd and 3rd, it would be a GREAT draft. That kind of haul doesn’t happen a lot.
DCOrange Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 36 minutes ago, JM57 said: I don't want a deep ball specialist at 9. That's such a colossal waste of a pick if that's what happens in the future. Like I said before. You got your high variance prospect in Allen. Now you should be surrounding him with guys who will DEFINITELY be good because you don't want to be wasting picks and playing time on guys that won't elevate his game Sure but you could say that about literally any prospect besides maybe Quinnen Williams. If Hockenson is only a decent starter, then by your standards, he’s a colossal waste. If a pass rusher turns into a 3rd down specialist, he’s a colossal waste. If an offensive linemen turns into a swing tackle, he’s a colossal waste. Drafting a guy whose range, imo, is between a solid starter and an elite WR is about as high floor and high ceiling of a prospect you’ll find.
HomeTeam Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 On 3/18/2019 at 7:42 PM, Da webster guy said: I'm not a fan of him for our team simply because I think we have 4 guys that have proven themselves to be able to get separation and move the chains, and I can't stop thinking about how embarrassing it was when the Patriots were simply handing off the ball and Sony Michel and Burkhead etc. gashed us for almost 300 yards, over 6 ypc. You can have three Julio Joneses and still not win a game with that kind of defense. We just can't ignore that kind of shredding, and if we're in a position to land a game changing defensive guy who can help us stop the run I believe we need to do it. Thanks you for this. We all need to be reminded again how bad our run defense was at times. That New England game was an atrociously painful memory.
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