billsfan89 Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 It is usually a bad idea to give up significant draft compensation and cap space for a player (of course there are exceptions like the Mack trade which work out for the team trading for the big name player.) But I would imagine that the Texans are probably going to want significant compensation and Clowney is going to want an extension or wind up a pricy rental. I think it would take the Bills 2ndand 4thround picks or a 2ndplus a swap of first round picks. Which isn’t super steep like the Odell trade but hardly a buy low situation either. I wouldn’t want Clowney unless the draft compensation was limited to a 3rdplus a mid-rounder. Cap wise the team has about 10-20 million to play with after you factor in rookie contracts and emergency money. There is also some fat they can cut on the roster like Ivory, DiMarco, and Vlad who could free up about 5 million dollars in space if needed. So the cap in this situation shouldn’t be an issue to make another significant trade/signing. I think it wouldn’t be in the Bills best interest to pull off such a trade for Clowney. I do like Clowney and I think in a 4-3 he could be an absolute beast. But I also think he is injury prone and can be a bit volatile personality wise. I think getting Ziggy on a one year deal would be a nice cherry on top of a good free agency period (I also wouldn’t mind seeing them sign EJ Gaines on the cheap too) it would add one needed piece to the defense and make the draft come from an even stronger position of strength.
Logic Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 On 3/15/2019 at 1:37 PM, MAJBobby said: NFL's quick release offense it going to make it harder and harder to justify paying top money for pass rushers IMO. Expand Perhpas so. It's why INTERIOR rushers are starting to be just as important. Aaron Donald is arguably worth more in terms of what he brings to a team than any edge rusher would be. 2
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 Having Clowney in a rotation and drafting Oliver at DT would fix the pass rush instantly. So many different ways the FO could go, it’s exciting to be relevant again. On 3/16/2019 at 12:24 AM, Logic said: Perhpas so. It's why INTERIOR rushers are starting to be just as important. Aaron Donald is arguably worth more in terms of what he brings to a team than any edge rusher would be. Expand QB’s like Brees, Brady and Rivers all like to step up into a clean pocket to make accurate passes. They really don’t like DT’s like Donald. It’s why the Saints and Patriots had all pro interior O-Line man back in their hay day. 1
Alphadawg7 Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 Im not very high on trading for Clowney. Will he better than what we have, sure. But at what cost is the issue. Plus, I don't think there is any truth to our interest, I mean just some twitter rumor that has shown no legs so far. Its bad enough he is going to likely get a contract thats inflated above what his on field play has been. We have room, so I can live with that. But, to over pay him and also send assets back, thats when I get uncomfortable with a trade for him. The only thing I would consider is a swap of first round picks. If we have to do that and also send another decent pick or better like a 3rd or something, then I hope we pass. Clowney is a good player, but he is also not so good we can't find a similar guy some other way (FA, draft, etc). So the idea of a big contract and losing valuable assets makes me not to keen on going after him. 1
Magnum Force Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 12:40 AM, Alphadawg7 said: Im not very high on trading for Clowney. Will he better than what we have, sure. But at what cost is the issue. Plus, I don't think there is any truth to our interest, I mean just some twitter rumor that has shown no legs so far. Its bad enough he is going to likely get a contract thats inflated above what his on field play has been. We have room, so I can live with that. But, to over pay him and also send assets back, thats when I get uncomfortable with a trade for him. The only thing I would consider is a swap of first round picks. If we have to do that and also send another decent pick or better like a 3rd or something, then I hope we pass. Clowney is a good player, but he is also not so good we can't find a similar guy some other way (FA, draft, etc). So the idea of a big contract and losing valuable assets makes me not to keen on going after him. Expand I just want to find a creative way to get both Hockenson and Oliver lol
Alphadawg7 Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 12:44 AM, Magnum Force said: I just want to find a creative way to get both Hockenson and Oliver lol Expand Doubt that happens...but what is a REAL possibility is getting Hockenson and Simmons. This I would love. 1
Logic Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 12:27 AM, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Having Clowney in a rotation and drafting Oliver at DT would fix the pass rush instantly. So many different ways the FO could go, it’s exciting to be relevant again. QB’s like Brees, Brady and Rivers all like to step up into a clean pocket to make accurate passes. They really don’t like DT’s like Donald. It’s why the Saints and Patriots had all pro interior O-Line man back in their hay day. Expand Indeed. And it's why, in my mind, a penetrating defensive tackle is the most likely pick at 9 for the Bills. No part of me believes they want to count on Jordan Phillips to be "the guy" at that position. 1
The Wiz Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 Late 2nd or early 3rd. I probably would prefer the draft pick honestly.
Magnum Force Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 You almost have to go on a Texan forum to see what the Texan fans think of Clowney and where they feel his trade value is at.
njbuff Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 2:23 AM, YoloinOhio said: Expand Do the Chiefs have the money?
YoloinOhio Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) On 3/28/2019 at 2:28 AM, njbuff said: Do the Chiefs have the money? Expand I suppose they could create it. They are dragging their feet on that Tyreek Hill extension. Edited March 28, 2019 by YoloinOhio
rayray808 Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 Clowney or Tyreek... I will take which ever guy the Chiefs don't want and then draft someone at 9 to fill the missing spot
Doc Brown Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 He's yet to reach double digit sacks (despite being on the same line as Watt) and he wants Donald and Mack type money. We'd have to give up a decent draft pick on top of that. He's great against the run, but you need consistent double digit sack seasons to justify that big of a contract. There are more cost efficient options. 1
Rc2catch Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 5:33 AM, Doc Brown said: He's yet to reach double digit sacks (despite being on the same line as Watt) and he wants Donald and Mack type money. We'd have to give up a decent draft pick on top of that. He's great against the run, but you need consistent double digit sack seasons to justify that big of a contract. There are more cost efficient options. Expand I agree. He doesn’t dominate and take over a game like some of these highest paid guys do. Mack, Donald, Lawrence, guys like that completely take over a game at certain points and can’t be blocked. I’ve never seen Clowney even come close to that kind of consistent pressure
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/28/2019 at 5:52 AM, Rc2catch said: I agree. He doesn’t dominate and take over a game like some of these highest paid guys do. Mack, Donald, Lawrence, guys like that completely take over a game at certain points and can’t be blocked. I’ve never seen Clowney even come close to that kind of consistent pressure Expand This is certainly true but equally you have to look at how he has been used in Houston. Their bounty of pass rushing options does mean Clowney is not sent Quarterback hunting every time he lines up. Now the question (especially given the news that Houston isn't seeking a long term deal) is whether their evaluation is just that he isn't that good as a pass rusher or whether it is purely a numbers game. Essentially despite him being a number 1 pick and playing at a high level in the league for 5 years you are still having to do some projection about his ceiling as a pass rusher and that will make any team thinking of spending $18-20m a year on him nervous.
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 Conditional 7th. On 3/28/2019 at 5:33 AM, Doc Brown said: He's yet to reach double digit sacks (despite being on the same line as Watt) and he wants Donald and Mack type money. We'd have to give up a decent draft pick on top of that. He's great against the run, but you need consistent double digit sack seasons to justify that big of a contract. There are more cost efficient options. Expand Yup, that’s where I’m at too. His name is bigger than his game. He is a better version of shaq Lawson. That’s not worth $20 million. Plus, he strikes me as a guy who would coast after getting a big deal, especially in Buffalo. He’s the not as good Mario Williams.
ChanticleerBillsFan Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) On 3/28/2019 at 9:38 AM, GunnerBill said: This is certainly true but equally you have to look at how he has been used in Houston. Their bounty of pass rushing options does mean Clowney is not sent Quarterback hunting every time he lines up. Now the question (especially given the news that Houston isn't seeking a long term deal) is whether their evaluation is just that he isn't that good as a pass rusher or whether it is purely a numbers game. Essentially despite him being a number 1 pick and playing at a high level in the league for 5 years you are still having to do some projection about his ceiling as a pass rusher and that will make any team thinking of spending $18-20m a year on him nervous. Expand Agree. He is currently an elite edge run defender. Had 60 pressures last year. I understand some will balk at the money he wants and he won’t be able to live up to it. Kind of similar to the Mario situation but I definitely would not be opposed to the move but would want to swap firsts or something like next years 2nd and this years 3rd. On 3/28/2019 at 12:59 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: Conditional 7th. Yup, that’s where I’m at too. His name is bigger than his game. He is a better version of shaq Lawson. That’s not worth $20 million. Plus, he strikes me as a guy who would coast after getting a big deal, especially in Buffalo. He’s the not as good Mario Williams. Expand Shaq Lawson? Don’t see it Edited March 28, 2019 by ChanticleerBillsFan 1
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