Hammered a Lot Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 http://www.wivb.com/Global/story.asp?S=3141175&nav=UABuY5F1
todd Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 htp://www.wivb.com/Global/story.asp?S=3141175&nav=UABuY5F1 291306[/snapback] Add that to the list of reasons I dislike many unions as they exist today. Here's a better link: Linky linky
stuckincincy Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 I can't believe it. 291316[/snapback] What's not to believe? The younger populace that has the power to force changes prefer to wallow in self-indulgence.
sweet baboo Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 the younger population is moving out in droves quick! someone defend the unions!
Larry Playfair Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 this is common in public agencies. most federal and state agencies have this provision in their CBA's. It is a sort of payback, since most of these unions only have limited bargaining rts anyway (cant bargain over salary, cant strike, etc.)
Beerball Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 Both Mike Bogulski and John Orlando were unavailable for comment Tuesday. I wonder what kind of union work they were doing?
sweet baboo Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 I wonder what kind of union work they were doing? 291361[/snapback] golfing? sleeping?
Sound_n_Fury Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 It is a sort of payback, since most of these unions only have limited bargaining rts anyway (cant bargain over salary, cant strike, etc.) 291346[/snapback] would the etc. include: ...can't be fired (unless we nuke the whole county, like Giambra just did) ...allowed to bank hundreds of sick/vacation days to cash out at retirement ...receive full medical coverage and inflation-adjusted pensions, upon retirement. ...able to knock off an hour (or more!) early in the summertime Did I miss any more???
Wacka Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 I wonder what kind of union work they were doing? 291361[/snapback] Waste hauling? (ala Tony Soprano)
zonabb Posted March 30, 2005 Posted March 30, 2005 Limited bargaining rights? The only limit they have in terms of salary is to declare an impasse during every negotiation, go straight to BINDING ARBITRATION and win what they wanted anyway. To say they have no rights is a F*^%ing joke. When was the last time they didn't get a raise, despite the economics of the agency they work for? When was the last time they were forced to pay for their health coverage or even any significant portion? When was the last time anything was taken awy for them for the betterment of the city, county, muni, region, whatever? Never. But when they lose their jobs when it really hiots the fan, we're supposed to feel sorry for them after all the grabhandedness they have shown year in and year out. Tough s&%* for them. Welcome to the real world. I hate public unions in NY. And I hate the Taylor Law too, which keeps them in power. By the way. Any idea why many places our young people are moving too are doing much better? No unions, among other reasons. But no unions keep salaries under control (and not ripping the employees off either while not ripping off the taxpayers). Example: We pay Buffalo and many area cops well into the 40s to start, and a GED is all that is required in most cases and no college degree, maybe some credits. Troopers start in the low 50s, same requirements. Saw an ad in the Buffalo Snooze for cops near Richmond, Va. Around $30 to start, $32 with a bachelors. That's the way it should be. Not getting rich for driving around on your fat arse all day.
Boatdrinks Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 would the etc. include: ...can't be fired (unless we nuke the whole county, like Giambra just did) ...allowed to bank hundreds of sick/vacation days to cash out at retirement ...receive full medical coverage and inflation-adjusted pensions, upon retirement. ...able to knock off an hour (or more!) early in the summertime Did I miss any more??? 291415[/snapback] Sick days cannot be cashed out at retirement. If you elect not to take your vacation days, why shouldn't you be paid for them? You did earn them after all.
Boatdrinks Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 Limited bargaining rights? The only limit they have in terms of salary is to declare an impasse during every negotiation, go straight to BINDING ARBITRATION and win what they wanted anyway. To say they have no rights is a F*^%ing joke. When was the last time they didn't get a raise, despite the economics of the agency they work for? When was the last time they were forced to pay for their health coverage or even any significant portion? When was the last time anything was taken awy for them for the betterment of the city, county, muni, region, whatever? Never. But when they lose their jobs when it really hiots the fan, we're supposed to feel sorry for them after all the grabhandedness they have shown year in and year out. Tough s&%* for them. Welcome to the real world. I hate public unions in NY. And I hate the Taylor Law too, which keeps them in power. By the way. Any idea why many places our young people are moving too are doing much better? No unions, among other reasons. But no unions keep salaries under control (and not ripping the employees off either while not ripping off the taxpayers). Example: We pay Buffalo and many area cops well into the 40s to start, and a GED is all that is required in most cases and no college degree, maybe some credits. Troopers start in the low 50s, same requirements. Saw an ad in the Buffalo Snooze for cops near Richmond, Va. Around $30 to start, $32 with a bachelors. That's the way it should be. Not getting rich for driving around on your fat arse all day. 291433[/snapback] Yeah, 30 g's for possibly being killed on the job by some thug. Sounds like a great deal to me.
Bill from NYC Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 Limited bargaining rights? The only limit they have in terms of salary is to declare an impasse during every negotiation, go straight to BINDING ARBITRATION and win what they wanted anyway. To say they have no rights is a F*^%ing joke. When was the last time they didn't get a raise, despite the economics of the agency they work for? When was the last time they were forced to pay for their health coverage or even any significant portion? When was the last time anything was taken awy for them for the betterment of the city, county, muni, region, whatever? Never. But when they lose their jobs when it really hiots the fan, we're supposed to feel sorry for them after all the grabhandedness they have shown year in and year out. Tough s&%* for them. Welcome to the real world. I hate public unions in NY. And I hate the Taylor Law too, which keeps them in power. By the way. Any idea why many places our young people are moving too are doing much better? No unions, among other reasons. But no unions keep salaries under control (and not ripping the employees off either while not ripping off the taxpayers). Example: We pay Buffalo and many area cops well into the 40s to start, and a GED is all that is required in most cases and no college degree, maybe some credits. Troopers start in the low 50s, same requirements. Saw an ad in the Buffalo Snooze for cops near Richmond, Va. Around $30 to start, $32 with a bachelors. That's the way it should be. Not getting rich for driving around on your fat arse all day. 291433[/snapback] >>>Saw an ad in the Buffalo Snooze for cops near Richmond, Va. Around $30 to start, $32 with a bachelors. That's the way it should be. Not getting rich for driving around on your fat arse all day.<<< If you were more of a man, you would be able to even consider doing a job such as this. Obviously, you are a squirrel of a man; a jealous squirrel to boot. Now, go run up a tree, you weak minded, weak in fact squirrel. Hurry up, a puppy is chasing you, you silly little twit!
Boatdrinks Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 >>>Saw an ad in the Buffalo Snooze for cops near Richmond, Va. Around $30 to start, $32 with a bachelors. That's the way it should be. Not getting rich for driving around on your fat arse all day.<<< If you were more of a man, you would be able to even consider doing a job such as this. Obviously, you are a squirrel of a man; a jealous squirrel to boot. Now, go run up a tree, you weak minded, weak in fact squirrel. Hurry up, a puppy is chasing you, you silly little twit! 291539[/snapback] C'mon give the guy a break. I mean, in his world $40-50k to start is "rich" . If that were the case I'd be an aristocrat. Guess I can stop buying those lottery tickets.
sweet baboo Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 Now, go run up a tree, you weak minded, weak in fact squirrel. Hurry up, a puppy is chasing you, you silly little twit! 291539[/snapback] what the heck?
TigerJ Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 I wonder what kind of union work they were doing? 291361[/snapback] Contemplating new moves to screw the county?
clumping platelets Posted March 31, 2005 Posted March 31, 2005 That is a problem with the gov't unions However, do not stereotype all unions. My union leadership is paid the same base salary as if they were working here at the hospital, however, if they are doing union duties, that portion is covered by the union. Ex: Our Chief Steward basically works half his time at the union (paid by union). The other half he works in blood bank(paid by hospital). He doesn't get PTO time accrued for those hrs he works for the union. His health benefits are unaffected Pretty fair IMO
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