BADOLBILZ Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, dezertbill said: My take is the Raiders were working with the Raiders and Bills, among others for a deal. IMO the Bills offered greater than the 3rd and 5th the Raiders paid. The Steelers wanted to take the Bills deal, but Brown stated he wouldn't play in Buffalo. So the Steelers used Rap Sheet to put out a report that Brown was on the verge of getting traded to Buffalo in order for the Raiders to raise their offer, even though the Steelers and Bills had known at that point that Brown wouldn't go to Buffalo. It ended up blowing up in their face. Within a few hours Brown reacted with Fake news. Beane said there were "positive talks" but no deal could be reached, most likely cuz Brown didn't want to play in Buffalo. So they had a small window to try and ramp up the Raiders offer, and it didn't work. So they settled for a 3rd and 5th, since at that point the Raiders were most likely bidding against themselves. Vic says the Bills didn't want to re-do his deal.........at least to the extent Brown wanted. It's possible that the Bills were afraid of the precedent of giving another player a double dip contract like The Pegs/Rex/Whaley did with Shady...........but if that's the case that was short sighted of them. The bottom line is that the Steelers made a bad decision putting all of the guarantees on the front side of AB's deal...............it left them vulnerable to this whole saga...........if teams keep doing that they need to understand that great players will take advantage of those situations.
ngbills Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, billspro said: Brandon Beane didn’t want to pay that contact imo. Brown probably didn’t want to come here either. Flashy moves like that have a very low success rate. This team will still be set up for the playoffs this year without Brown. Just be patient it is going to be a good offseason. I hope its him not wanting to play here. If it was that kind of money that turned Beane off then he has problems. I could see if it was a 5 year + deal and $100M or something. 3 yr and $50M is nothing. 2
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doc said: We can't predict the future so we don't know if the Bills are better long term without him. But they're not worse: they're just the same. IMHO if they had added him, he'd have been a locker room cancer What they need to do is build up the OL, draft a WR, and develop their own Antonio Brown: Robert Foster. Yeah, his Dallas stats extrapolated over a full season are 1,288 yards and 11 TDs. When as AB ever had reports of being a locker room cancer over his past year in the NFL. Except in the ONE year he was trying to get a new deal and BOOM all these team reports of a Cancer. 1
BuffAlone Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, ngbills said: This would be the perfect time to pay a WR $16-17M for 3 years. We have a QB on his rookie deal so have the space. Develop a young WR and let AB walk in 3 years. In a few years if Allen pans out he is getting $20M+ per and then you will have a hard time paying a WR. Why would you pay 17M a year for a WR when Josh Allen, along with most of the roster, are not in position to contend for SB's at this stage? We might be legit and consistent contenders in 2-3 years, when AB's contract would expire. So, pay that money just to let him mentor young receivers? And give up draft picks to boot? It was gonna be one or the other IMO. Big $, or Big draft picks. We aren't in position to do both and expect Big results. Therefore, I'm happy Beane looked into it, and content with him walking away 1
Doc Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 Just now, MAJBobby said: When as AB ever had reports of being a locker room cancer over his past year in the NFL. Except in the ONE year he was trying to get a new deal and BOOM all these team reports of a Cancer. That's all it takes. He didn't have to be a douchebag about it.
ngbills Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Senator said: So Beane should not have even kicked the tires to establish the parameters of a possible trade? Now THAT’S truly absurd! He never wanted it in the media, because he knew this nonsense would ensue - but Rappaport cared more about breaking the story first than getting the story right. Why don’t you wait and see what else Beane does on the trade and Free Agency fronts? He may surprise you with some super talent of high character. . You dont need to "kick the tires" to know he would get paid that kind of money. His current contract was already a 4/$68M deal. He would be completely out of touch with reality if he thought he could get him and pay him peanuts. That is living in lala land.
SCBills Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: When as AB ever had reports of being a locker room cancer over his past year in the NFL. Except in the ONE year he was trying to get a new deal and BOOM all these team reports of a Cancer. Its been rumored for a while and plenty of former players came out and said he was the most selfish, egocentric person they’ve ever come across.
Doc Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Why would you pay 17M a year for a WR when Josh Allen, along with most of the roster, are not in position to contend for SB's at this stage? We might be legit and consistent contenders in 2-3 years, when AB's contract would expire. So, pay that money just to let him mentor young receivers? And give up draft picks to boot? It was gonna be one or the other IMO. Big $, or Big draft picks. We aren't in position to do both and expect Big results. Therefore, I'm happy Beane looked into it, and content with him walking away Yup. Kick the tires, see if AB would play under his old contract or with a slight bump, and if not, thanks but no thanks. And the Raiders won't be contending anytime within the next 3 years.
GETTOTHE50 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 9 hours ago, White Linen said: What? There's no way he's making that money back. You obviously don't know the numbers. Huh? He still kept his value and is going to be the highest paid running back this year. Smart move on his end for not risking an injury. Are you stupid?
BuffAlone Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: Yup. Kick the tires, see if AB would play under his old contract or with a slight bump, and if not, thanks but no thanks. And the Raiders won't be contending anytime within the next 3 years. Agreed. It didn't hurt to explore it. It didn't hurt to miss out on it
ngbills Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Why would you pay 17M a year for a WR when Josh Allen, along with most of the roster, are not in position to contend for SB's at this stage? We might be legit and consistent contenders in 2-3 years, when AB's contract would expire. So, pay that money just to let him mentor young receivers? And give up draft picks to boot? It was gonna be one or the other IMO. Big $, or Big draft picks. We aren't in position to do both and expect Big results. Therefore, I'm happy Beane looked into it, and content with him walking away I hope we are a contender in the next 2-3 years. Really 3 more years and then we can contend? Get Brown and some OL and this team contends next year or the year after. This is not the old NFL - you only have short windows due to free agency.
MAJBobby Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: Its been rumored for a while and plenty of former players came out and said he was the most selfish, egocentric person they’ve ever come across. All in the year that he is looking for a new contract. Hmmmm where where they his first 8 years in the league. Busting his tail off to go from a 6th round pick to the best WR in the league. During that all CRICKETS. Then the year he wants a new deal boom. He is a Douche. Hey that is how the Steeler Operate though. They have done the same for years with players.
RaoulDuke79 Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: Its been rumored for a while and plenty of former players came out and said he was the most selfish, egocentric person they’ve ever come across. There was also the incident of him doing a Facebook live broadcast from the locker room after a game a while back or something of the nature. The guy just doesn't get it.
HappyDays Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 I don't understand this from the Raiders perspective at all. They aren't close to being contenders yet with Derek Carr playing like crap lately and a historically bad defense. They let Mack go because they couldn't pay him, then they turn around and guarantee Brown all this money. By the time they're legit contenders he will be past his prime. Weird move for them. 1
BuffAlone Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 Just now, ngbills said: I hope we are a contender in the next 2-3 years. Really 3 more years and then we can contend? Get Brown and some OL and this team contends next year or the year after. This is not the old NFL - you only have short windows due to free agency. What I said was 2-3 years. You're saying this year or the year after...like...2 years? Not seeing your point of argument. And short windows are for teams who are secure at QB and built in the draft, that may require one two FA acquisitions to put them over the top. IE...the Cheaters. Not the Ram model. Not the Eagles with Vick & Co.
Doc Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't understand this from the Raiders perspective at all. They aren't close to being contenders yet with Derek Carr playing like crap lately and a historically bad defense. They let Mack go because they couldn't pay him, then they turn around and guarantee Brown all this money. By the time they're legit contenders he will be past his prime. Weird move for them. They're trying to sell tickets for their new move.
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ngbills said: You dont need to "kick the tires" to know he would get paid that kind of money. His current contract was already a 4/$68M deal. He would be completely out of touch with reality if he thought he could get him and pay him peanuts. That is living in lala land. Yes, you do. And the Bills aren’t the only team that did it. Negotiations aren’t done through the media. They didn’t know what his demands were until they talked to his agent. And they couldn’t talk to his agent - about him in a trade - until Pittsburgh gave them permission, which they didn’t do until trade comp was agreed upon. He’s still under contract with the Steelers as we speak. Indeed, there could be a difference between what he was demanding and what he would actually get. It only takes one team to do it. But if no one did it, he would still need to be traded. No reason not to explore it. Edited March 10, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1
White Linen Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 18 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: Huh? He still kept his value and is going to be the highest paid running back this year. Smart move on his end for not risking an injury. Are you stupid? Wow. Haha Hey I guess it's true if you believe it.
The Senator Posted March 10, 2019 Posted March 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, ngbills said: You dont need to "kick the tires" to know he would get paid that kind of money. His current contract was already a 4/$68M deal. He would be completely out of touch with reality if he thought he could get him and pay him peanuts. That is living in lala land. If $17million/yr is “peanuts “ to you, Salud! ? As I posted, had you bothered to read, the negotiations went such that, the higher Browns demands, the less the Bills were willing to offer Pittsburgh. The deal fell apart on both sides, hence Beane’s remark that the deal didn’t make sense for EITHER team. Maybe you and a few other GM wannabes would have mortgaged our future by giving away coveted draft picks while at the same time putting us back in cap hell, all for an unreliable, prima donna nutcase. Beane wouldn’t, and didn’t. .
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