If Jonah Williams and Jawaan Tayor are available when we pick, who do you take?

[SouthNYfan]

It's a common misconception that you can draft any guy and just move him to another position on the line.

Some guys can do it no problem, but I don't think they are the norm.

The concept that you just draft Williams and move him to the other side of the line has issues because :

#1 he most likely will not play as well, so taking him at #9 means he's a top LT, but he might only be an above average RT, equal to a later round natural RT

Or

Even worse case

#2 he can't play RT at all at the NFL level and actually sucks

 

I'm not saying these guys can't, because I don't know much about either... I honestly slacked on my oline prospect watching this year.

 

I just hate the narrative I see every year leading up to the draft, this applies to many positions, but I think I see it most with oline, to just "draft him and play him elsewhere"

 

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think Taylor gets to #9 either. Think the Jags are zeroing in on him and surprised if he lasts past #7. That said I am not sure I'd pick him at #9 anyway.... because to me he is RT only and I don't see the LT upside. That makes me nervous about spending a top 10 pick. He is certainly someone who can come in and contribute early though.

 

That's kind of what I'm saying

People just assume you can move a guy around the line with no dropoff in play

Some guys can't play other line positions, some can

Edited April 8, 2019 by SouthNYfan

[SouthNYfan]

On 3/8/2019 at 12:22 PM, Jay_Fixit said:

The good news is that DK and both Williams and Taylor are equally as good at changing direction.

 

He ran the same 20 yard shuttle time as DeAndre Hopkins

Granted his 3 cone was a disaster ?

[MrEpsYtown]

3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

 

Interested in your thought on Cody Ford.. maybe moving  up to the bottom of the first for him?

 

I like Ford. I think he has a lot of upside and is not that far off from Taylor as a RT prospect. He needs some work.  I strongly prefer Dalton Risner. Risner is plug and play at pretty much any position. If I trade back up into the late first, early second I want Risner. 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, billsredneck1 said:

i think this is who they might prefer. as far as the other two, the most common talking points i hear mainly on one bills live with guests such as greg cosell are that

jonah williams is primarily a left tackle ( didn't he spend 3 yrs. there?). he could be projected at guard and apparently got eaten alive by clelin ferrell in the championship game. i also hear that while he's technically sound and a good athlete, he has short arms and not really a mauler.

 

what i hear on j. taylor is that he's huge and powerful plus has a nasty streak.  didn't he also spend his college career at rt? i don't think these guys are as versatile as a lot of people make them out to be.

 

dillard gets nothing but high praise as a lt with the only knock being that he was in a primarily passing offense so there's not a lot to go on in the run game.

 

as for me if i had to pick between williams and taylor, i'd pick taylor and plan on him being the rt of the future.....but i don't really want to have to take one at 9. we may be able to get dillard in the 15 range. i have no clue what they will do.

 

i just hope they come away with a big nasty dt and at least one promising edge.

 

Dillard's arms are shorter than Williams'. And if Williams doesn't have a mean streak, Dillard is pillow fighting. There is no mean streak there whatsoever. He's athletic, tall and lean with very little run game ability. He's the exact opposite of a mauler and teh exact opposite of any of the linemen this regime has been bringing in. Probably a fit for a team like the Rams or maybe the Browns. And as athletic as Dillard is, Dion Dawkins actually has a better three cone and significantly longer arms. I just don't see a fit there at all, and though I don't love Jonah Williams, I think it's crazy that the stigma is that his arms are short, while Dillards are slightly shorter and no one cares.To me,  Dillard seems like a terrible fit here. 

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Dillard's arms are shorter than Williams'. And if Williams doesn't have a mean streak, Dillard is pillow fighting. There is no mean streak there whatsoever. He's athletic, tall and lean with very little run game ability. He's the exact opposite of a mauler and teh exact opposite of any of the linemen this regime has been bringing in. Probably a fit for a team like the Rams or maybe the Browns. And as athletic as Dillard is, Dion Dawkins actually has a better three cone and significantly longer arms. I just don't see a fit there at all, and though I don't love Jonah Williams, I think it's crazy that the stigma is that his arms are short, while Dillards are slightly shorter and no one cares.To me,  Dillard seems like a terrible fit here. 

 

We have discussed before and I totally agree. Fit for a team that want to lean on the quick strike, rhythm short passing game. Buffalo want to pound the run and throw deep and I think Dillard would struggle to hold his blocks long enough and gets very little run game push.  Have the Bills spoken to him / had him in at any point? I haven't seen reports suggesting they had?

[MrEpsYtown]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

We have discussed before and I totally agree. Fit for a team that want to lean on the quick strike, rhythm short passing game. Buffalo want to pound the run and throw deep and I think Dillard would struggle to hold his blocks long enough and gets very little run game push.  Have the Bills spoken to him / had him in at any point? I haven't seen reports suggesting they had?

 

I haven't seen anything either and he just doesn't seem like the type of guy they would target. I've been wrong before, but I just don't see it. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

On 3/8/2019 at 7:53 AM, FeelingOnYouboty said:

 

There was one play where he and Ferrell slipped and it looked like he got destroyed. He was great in that game v another Top 15 guy. Watch again.

 

90% of opinions on how a guy played in "a game" are usually based on one or two plays.  No body is watching the national championship game and focusing on the left tackle.  They only notice when something bad happens, and that is thereafter there opinion for the rest of the game.  Johnah could have been ELITE the entire game, but because of that one (maybe even two) plays, he was horrible for the entire game.  

59 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

It's a common misconception that you can draft any guy and just move him to another position on the line.

Some guys can do it no problem, but I don't think they are the norm.

The concept that you just draft Williams and move him to the other side of the line has issues because :

#1 he most likely will not play as well, so taking him at #9 means he's a top LT, but he might only be an above average RT, equal to a later round natural RT

Or

Even worse case

#2 he can't play RT at all at the NFL level and actually sucks

 

I'm not saying these guys can't, because I don't know much about either... I honestly slacked on my oline prospect watching this year.

 

I just hate the narrative I see every year leading up to the draft, this applies to many positions, but I think I see it most with oline, to just "draft him and play him elsewhere"

 

 

That's kind of what I'm saying

People just assume you can move a guy around the line with no dropoff in play

Some guys can't play other line positions, some can

 

I don't think its a 50/50 proposition.  More guys CANNOT make the transition than can.  

[SouthNYfan]

36 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

90% of opinions on how a guy played in "a game" are usually based on one or two plays.  No body is watching the national championship game and focusing on the left tackle.  They only notice when something bad happens, and that is thereafter there opinion for the rest of the game.  Johnah could have been ELITE the entire game, but because of that one (maybe even two) plays, he was horrible for the entire game.  

 

I don't think its a 50/50 proposition.  More guys CANNOT make the transition than can.  

 

Definitely!!

Even if they can, like I said, there is probably a dropoff in play

So now that got who grades #9 overall at LT might only grade 2nd round playing RT

What waste the pick on that??

[ghostwriter]

Jonah could play guard I'm sure.... Taylor will likely be a very good RT. I'd rather have a very good RT at this point.

[Pete]

Ed Oliver

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

25 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Definitely!!

Even if they can, like I said, there is probably a dropoff in play

So now that got who grades #9 overall at LT might only grade 2nd round playing RT

What waste the pick on that??

 

I think this is a situation you follow the old rules-if the guy isn't your LT, you do not draft him top ten.  

[Augie]

20 minutes ago, Pete said:

Ed Oliver

 

It will be an odd moment when Ed Oliver is available at #9.........and we pick anybody else. I’m bracing myself for that, but realize these guys know far more than I do, so.......

[JAMIEBUF12]

Jawaan taylor

[Bookie Man]

Jawaan Taylor is one of my favorite players in the draft. 

[GreggTX]

At 9? Neither.Maybe at 15 or so. Otherwise, I'd go for BPA and beef up our talent on the DL which sorely needs it. We're going to really struggle against the run and with our pass rush if we don't. I expect a sizeable drop in our overrated D if we don't address this in the draft in round 1.

[billsredneck1]

6 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Dillard's arms are shorter than Williams'. And if Williams doesn't have a mean streak, Dillard is pillow fighting. There is no mean streak there whatsoever. He's athletic, tall and lean with very little run game ability. He's the exact opposite of a mauler and teh exact opposite of any of the linemen this regime has been bringing in. Probably a fit for a team like the Rams or maybe the Browns. And as athletic as Dillard is, Dion Dawkins actually has a better three cone and significantly longer arms. I just don't see a fit there at all, and though I don't love Jonah Williams, I think it's crazy that the stigma is that his arms are short, while Dillards are slightly shorter and no one cares.To me,  Dillard seems like a terrible fit here. 

this all may be true, i just posted on the common stuff i hear during various pundits being interviewed on the radio.

[John from Riverside]

Taylor

[CookieG]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have not heard of the Bills having Dillard in..... has anyone else?

It was a Bills' coach who ran him through his drills at his Pro Day.

[Mat68]

Neither.  I dont see either prospect as a top 10 pick.  In a draft high on talent I think there are impact players at numerous positions who will be available at 9.  Taylor or Willimas are strictly need based picks in the top 20.  The difference between them or who's available at 41 wont be significant.  

[MAJBobby]

Neither. They are not top 10 players and will be better players on the board when we are up.