BarleyNY Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Milton, I feel the same way. I am not a fan, but feel for those in Cleveland. I know though they haven’t won a championship since 1964, and three more time in the 50’s. They were making headway under Belicheck, until they fired him and moved to Baltimore. I’ve been to Cleveland a few times, and never heard any fans hate anyone more than Modell. They forget he was begging the city and the state to help him with a new stadium, so Baltimore ponied up. I just feel they have been in hell even longer than us. It’s nice to see different teams who have been bad for a long time turn themselves around. If this trade is true, Mayfield will have a heck of a Target with OBJ. I still want us to beat the pants off them every three years or more. Couple points of clarification from someone who lived through all of that. Minor point - Belichick wasn’t fired until after the move. Major point - Cleveland was negotiating with Modell on a new stadium, but he had already found a sweeter deal with Baltimore. They weren’t going to let him use them as leverage so he kept the deal quiet and simply rejected everything Cleveland offered him. His criticism of the plot next to Jacob’s Field was that not was “too loud”. Notably the deal he got was very similar to the expansion team deal Baltimore offered the NFL. A deal he helped kill. Cleveland could have been more proactive, but they were out of it before it started.
HOUSE Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) Johnny Manziel is opening a donut shop called JOHNNY B GOOD Edited March 7, 2019 by HOUSE
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 Jalen Ramsey > OBJ Younger Better player More important position The Browns are probably a Top 10 offense next year without OBJ. Getting Ramsey turns their Defense into one of the best units in the league giving them three franchise players on that side of the ball.
TOboy Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Jalen Ramsey > OBJ Younger Better player More important position The Browns are probably a Top 10 offense next year without OBJ. Getting Ramsey turns their Defense into one of the best units in the league giving them three franchise players on that side of the ball. Wait, is there a rumor they're in on Ramsey? Or that Ramsey is available? 1
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, TOboy said: Wait, is there a rumor they're in on Ramsey? Or that Ramsey is available? There's been some rumors. Not sure how valid they are to be honest. 1
BarleyNY Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: There's been some rumors. Not sure how valid they are to be honest. The Browns and Jags have been in discussions. I’m sure the Browns would love Ramsey, but I doubt he’s available. Malik Jackson makes a lot more sense. Jags need to clear cap space for Foles, draft picks, etc. Edited March 7, 2019 by BarleyNY
Tenhigh Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: . Getting Ramsey turns their Defense into one of the best units in the league This feels like its a bit much, no?
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FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: This feels like its a bit much, no? They were 12 in Defense DVOA according to Football Outsiders. Jalen Ramsey is a Khalil Mack type addition to any defense. Year 2 of Denzel Ward. Year 3 of Myles Garrett. They could take a big leap.
nucci Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 15 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: The Three Divas... Mayfield, Landry, and ODB in the same locker room? Get me some pop corn! This is gonna get ugly in a hurry!!! They're also very talented players....I don't think Bills fans have too much of a right to make fun of other organizations considering our history
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 I don't blame the Browns for trading for a proven playmaker at WR. I think the top 7 or 8 WR's in this draft should be 2nd rd picks. I think the biggest gambles in the draft are the QB and WR positions. College football does no favors to scouts evaluating those two positions.
machine gun kelly Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 4 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Couple points of clarification from someone who lived through all of that. Minor point - Belichick wasn’t fired until after the move. Major point - Cleveland was negotiating with Modell on a new stadium, but he had already found a sweeter deal with Baltimore. They weren’t going to let him use them as leverage so he kept the deal quiet and simply rejected everything Cleveland offered him. His criticism of the plot next to Jacob’s Field was that not was “too loud”. Notably the deal he got was very similar to the expansion team deal Baltimore offered the NFL. A deal he helped kill. Cleveland could have been more proactive, but they were out of it before it started. Barley- You’re closer to this than me, but apppreciate the insight.
BarleyNY Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Barley- You’re closer to this than me, but apppreciate the insight. Thanks. Not a problem. Not a lot of people outside of Clevelandera/Browns fans know the whole story - and even some of them don’t. I will say this though - after building the new baseball park and arena the city did drag its feet on a new NFL stadium for Modell. 1
cba fan Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 20 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: double asshats twittering again. memo: it is not a rumor if you have no player names, to you know, make it a rumor!
cba fan Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 19 hours ago, cle23 said: The work stoppage part is 100% made up. What kind of evidence do you have for that claim? NFL cba history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_lockout
Turk71 Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 What's going on in Cleveland? Fun Times!! https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DoZzgAjjuqZM&ved=2ahUKEwipi-S-zPDgAhVJuZ4KHbUmBPMQyCkwAHoECAwQBA&usg=AOvVaw1WyVjG8wpT_KqRF27dER7w
GaryPinC Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: Thanks. Not a problem. Not a lot of people outside of Clevelandera/Browns fans know the whole story - and even some of them don’t. I will say this though - after building the new baseball park and arena the city did drag its feet on a new NFL stadium for Modell. http://blog.cleveland.com/pdextra/2012/09/how_cleveland_lost_the_browns.html Modell was ignored for years by the city, even when the Gateway complex (Cavs/Indians) was being planned he was being ignored. None of the city leadership thought he'd actually consider moving the team. The best was when Mayor Mike White acted all surprised and outraged after ignoring Modell for so long. But Art was a lousy businessman too and Baltimore's deal bailed him out of financial problems in Cleveland. On one level I don't blame Modell for moving the team because, at the time, City government was the quintessential definition of red tape but it was very much a d#ck thing he did.
Bad Things Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 I personally wouldn't mind watching the Browns continue being a dumpster fire of an organization. In this wacky, bizzaro world that we live in, it's good to have some things remain the same. 1
The Jokeman Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 Maybe this was about the release of Jamie Collins? As quite interesting move as he's a pretty good player. I just hope he doesn't go back to New England on the cheap.
BarleyNY Posted March 7, 2019 Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: Maybe this was about the release of Jamie Collins? As quite interesting move as he's a pretty good player. I just hope he doesn't go back to New England on the cheap. The Collins release was about clearing cap space for other moves. He was expensive for the uneven performance he was giving.
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