Democratic Socialists: You Have No Case

[The_Dude]

I am sure that most of you like me are growing increasingly concerned with the lefts embrace of socialism. Nothing right now can be cooler to liberals, and Gen Z kids nation wide. Seriously, a failed economic experiment of the 20th century that has resulted in unmitigated catastrophe, and the deaths of millions is so hot right now.

 

Here's the thing -- when you look back at Russia during the 19th century the conditions there were awful. Marxism made sense then. It offered an alternative to the slavery that most Russians experienced on a daily basis. Maybe "slavery" is a bit harsh, but there was no way before the Russian revolution a low born Russian had a shot at prosperity so it made perfect sense that they'd try something else. What they went with failed, but their desire for change was reasonable and understandable. 

 

Now, lets look at American "democratic socialists." The only real oppression these people are fighting is hard work. Seriously. Are things in America perfect? No. But we are unarguably living in a great era. Even our poor people are fat. We have issues, but no other people at any other time have had it so good. That's not a statement to suggest we shouldn't improve, but it is to suggest that democratic socialists don't have a point.

 

The democratic socialist will tell you we have to embrace their politics because in today's America the oppression is so bad that nobody who isn't born rich can succeed. They'll tell you that student debt is crippling them. They'll tell you that earning a living wage off of one job is impossible. 

 

Here's my thing....they're all lazy pansies. Now this may come as a shock to some of you, but The_Dude is a blue collar guy. I'm a man. I build things with my hands as well as I break them. I'm in construction, and in construction we have thousands of vacant jobs that pay well. Not one of my employees made less than $40,000 last year. Not. One. That's the kinda salary these Bernie Bros think they're entitled to. So how come there are thousands of openings for welders, plumbers, handymen, electricians, HVAC techs, and so on? I literally am scared to fire an employee today because it can take months to make a new hire. Why? Ya know what you have to do to get a good job as a plumber? Well, you have to start out as a helper for about 6-12 months learning. And in our industry we pay helpers roughly $11-15 an hour. So what's the deal, Bernie Bros? The deal is that what "Democratic Socialist" really means is "lazy pansy." In my country, everybody with a work ethic can make it. I'm not saying America is perfect. I'm not saying we don't have issues like the cost of medication. But I am saying that these socialists are lazy defeatists who have the ability to make the kind of money they want, but they cant do it from the cash register of an air conditioned store. They might have to use a shovel. They may have to get their hands dirty. But the money is there. There is no just cause for this socialist crap that is going on. It's inexcusable. We need to start calling these people for what they are, and that is lazy pansies. 

[3rdnlng]

9 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

I am sure that most of you like me are growing increasingly concerned with the lefts embrace of socialism. Nothing right now can be cooler to liberals, and Gen Z kids nation wide. Seriously, a failed economic experiment of the 20th century that has resulted in unmitigated catastrophe, and the deaths of millions is so hot right now.

 

Here's the thing -- when you look back at Russia during the 19th century the conditions there were awful. Marxism made sense then. It offered an alternative to the slavery that most Russians experienced on a daily basis. Maybe "slavery" is a bit harsh, but there was no way before the Russian revolution a low born Russian had a shot at prosperity so it made perfect sense that they'd try something else. What they went with failed, but their desire for change was reasonable and understandable. 

 

Now, lets look at American "democratic socialists." The only real oppression these people are fighting is hard work. Seriously. Are things in America perfect? No. But we are unarguably living in a great era. Even our poor people are fat. We have issues, but no other people at any other time have had it so good. That's not a statement to suggest we shouldn't improve, but it is to suggest that democratic socialists don't have a point.

 

The democratic socialist will tell you we have to embrace their politics because in today's America the oppression is so bad that nobody who isn't born rich can succeed. They'll tell you that student debt is crippling them. They'll tell you that earning a living wage off of one job is impossible. 

 

Here's my thing....they're all lazy pansies. Now this may come as a shock to some of you, but The_Dude is a blue collar guy. I'm a man. I build things with my hands as well as I break them. I'm in construction, and in construction we have thousands of vacant jobs that pay well. Not one of my employees made less than $40,000 last year. Not. One. That's the kinda salary these Bernie Bros think they're entitled to. So how come there are thousands of openings for welders, plumbers, handymen, electricians, HVAC techs, and so on? I literally am scared to fire an employee today because it can take months to make a new hire. Why? Ya know what you have to do to get a good job as a plumber? Well, you have to start out as a helper for about 6-12 months learning. And in our industry we pay helpers roughly $11-15 an hour. So what's the deal, Bernie Bros? The deal is that what "Democratic Socialist" really means is "lazy pansy." In my country, everybody with a work ethic can make it. I'm not saying America is perfect. I'm not saying we don't have issues like the cost of medication. But I am saying that these socialists are lazy defeatists who have the ability to make the kind of money they want, but they cant do it from the cash register of an air conditioned store. They might have to use a shovel. They may have to get their hands dirty. But the money is there. There is no just cause for this socialist crap that is going on. It's inexcusable. We need to start calling these people for what they are, and that is lazy pansies. 

https://yournews.com/2019/03/04/894536/even-barbers-are-getting-rich-in-the-permian-basin/

 

Floyd making some real money.

[The_Dude]

2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

https://yournews.com/2019/03/04/894536/even-barbers-are-getting-rich-in-the-permian-basin/

 

Floyd making some real money.

 

 

Make America Mayberry Again!

 

Thats my motto. 

[SoCal Deek]

Dude, the really odd part of all of this is how a country with the highest standard of living in the history of mankind would even be having this conversation! This is what happens after years of indoctrination in the public school system. Why us would young people even be dabbling in this lunacy? Answer...there Union Teachers are feeding it to them for 13 years starting in kindergarten!

[B-Man]

Trump and GOP make 'socialism' the bogeyman of 2020, as Democrats bristle

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2019/03/04/trump-gop-make-socialism-bogeyman-2020-democrats-bristle

 

 

 

 

We don't have to "create" a socialist bogeyman. When the Democrats have a communist sympathizer leading among declared candidates for 2020 and a "golden girl" who's an avowed socialists, we're merely pointing out reality. https://www.

[BeginnersMind]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

Trump and GOP make 'socialism' the bogeyman of 2020, as Democrats bristle

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2019/03/04/trump-gop-make-socialism-bogeyman-2020-democrats-bristle

 

 

 

 

We don't have to "create" a socialist bogeyman. When the Democrats have a communist sympathizer leading among declared candidates for 2020 and a "golden girl" who's an avowed socialists, we're merely pointing out reality. https://www.

 

I only wish someone who could make the case better would be making it. 

[3rdnlng]

10 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Trump and GOP make 'socialism' the bogeyman of 2020, as Democrats bristle

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2019/03/04/trump-gop-make-socialism-bogeyman-2020-democrats-bristle

 

 

 

 

We don't have to "create" a socialist bogeyman. When the Democrats have a communist sympathizer leading among declared candidates for 2020 and a "golden girl" who's an avowed socialists, we're merely pointing out reality. https://www.

“I’m a capitalist,” O’Rourke told reporters in El Paso the day after Sanders announced his campaign. “I don’t see how we’re able to meet any of the fundamental challenges that we have as a country without, in part, harnessing the power of the market.”

 

The fundamental challenges that Beto wants to solve are all socialist programs but he realizes they can't be solved with socialism, they need capitalism to do it. LMFAO.

[The_Dude]

15 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Dude, the really odd part of all of this is how a country with the highest standard of living in the history of mankind would even be having this conversation! This is what happens after years of indoctrination in the public school system. Why us would young people even be dabbling in this lunacy? Answer...there Union Teachers are feeding it to them for 13 years starting in kindergarten!

 

My honest opinion is abundance brings decadence.  

 

This is why im obsessed with Roman history. After the Romans kicked Hannibal’s ass at Zama to end the 2nd Punic War, the Republic slid quickly into decay. Rome became master of the Mediterranean which meant master of the world then. Greece fell quickly after to Roman rule and the Romans had so much that the citizen-soldier that won Rome its place, the austere farmer that fought the battles, they went by the wayside as Rome indulged.

 

The same fate has befallen us since WWII. The difference between Rome and us is Roman plebs faces real strife and oppression. But like Rome, our values have decayed. It’s cool to not stand for the pledge now. The left calls all patriotism jingoism. We are no longer ‘ask not what your country can do for you.’ Now we’re ‘demand your country give you your neighbors stuff that you want.’

 

But yes, there is no justification for this stupidity. 

 

Churchill said it best (as he always did) when he stared Bolshevism is the equal sharing of misery. 

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

“I’m a capitalist,” O’Rourke told reporters in El Paso the day after Sanders announced his campaign. “I don’t see how we’re able to meet any of the fundamental challenges that we have as a country without, in part, harnessing the power of the market.”

 

The fundamental challenges that Beto wants to solve are all socialist programs but he realizes they can't be solved with socialism, they need capitalism to do it. LMFAO.

 

The USPS and UPS are perfect examples. 

 

UPS - capitalism. 

 

USPS - government ran. 

 

I send important parcels via UPS because I want them to arrive. With the USPS you’ve got about an 80% chance of success. 

[The_Dude]

[Chef Jim]

Here's my take.  The elites feel they know how to manage our lives than than we do.  And the only way they feel they can do that is to govern in a manner that resembles socialism.  

[B-Man]

2009                                                                                           2019

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QUESTIONS NOBODY IS ASKING: “When Did Everyone Become a Socialist?” asks New York magazine, in a sort of reverse Pauline Kael moment.

 

To which Reason’s Elizabeth Nolan Brown responds:

Now, I’m not one to begrudge a bit of editorial hyperbole. But the New York coverline—a more accurate and boring rendering of which would be something like “socialism is trendy again”—provides a good jumping off point for the latest numbers on Americans, socialism, and capitalism.

 

In a national NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released yesterday, respondents were asked about what traits are desirable in a presidential candidate and what traits they could do without. Overall, most people were comfortable with “an African-American” (87 percent), “a white man” (86 percent), or “a woman” (84 percent) becoming president. Majorities were comfortable with “a person who is gay or lesbian” (68 percent), “an independent” (60 percent), “someone under 40” (58 percent), “a business executive” (56 percent), or “an evangelical Christian” (54 percent) winning the presidency.

 

And a near-majority (49 percent) said they would be OK with a Muslim president of the United States.

 

Trailing significantly behind in acceptance were two traits. Only 37 percent of respondents said they would be OK with a president over 75 years old, and just 25 percent said they would be OK with a president who is a socialist.

 

Another poll question asked whether respondents viewed the term socialism positively. Just 18 percent did.

 

A full 50 percent viewed it negatively—a near mirror split from respondents’ views on capitalism. Half of those surveyed said they viewed capitalism positively, versus 19 percent who viewed it negatively.

 

 

As we’ve seen with both AOC and NBC’s radical environmentalism, amnesia is a very important component of the socialist mindset. (“It’s never been properly tried!” and all that.) But that amnesia is particularly curious given the Beatlemania feel of Obama’s first months for the left:

[unbillievable]

54 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Here's my take.  The elites feel they know how to manage our lives than than we do.  And the only way they feel they can do that is to govern in a manner that resembles socialism.  

 

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Dude, the really odd part of all of this is how a country with the highest standard of living in the history of mankind would even be having this conversation! This is what happens after years of indoctrination in the public school system. Why us would young people even be dabbling in this lunacy? Answer...there Union Teachers are feeding it to them for 13 years starting in kindergarten!

Nailed it.

 

9:00-9:20 - Arrivals and Morning Work

9:20-10:00 - Math

10:00-10:50 - ELA

10:40-11:20 - Writer's workshop

11:30-12:15 - Lunch and Recess

12:15-12:30 - Quiet time

12:30-1:10 - Gym

1:10-2:00 - ELA Group Work - play to learn

2:00-2:30 - Recess

2:30-3:10 - Why Democratic Sociaist contries like Norway and Finland regularly are at the top of the worldwide happiness index despite paying some of the highest tax rates.

3:10-3:30 - Dismissal 

 

[The_Dude]

My exact thoughts on America and capitalism right here

[sabrecrazed]

15 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Nailed it.

 

9:00-9:20 - Arrivals and Morning Work

9:20-10:00 - Math

10:00-10:50 - ELA

10:40-11:20 - Writer's workshop

11:30-12:15 - Lunch and Recess

12:15-12:30 - Quiet time

12:30-1:10 - Gym

1:10-2:00 - ELA Group Work - play to learn

2:00-2:30 - Recess

2:30-3:10 - Why Democratic Sociaist contries like Norway and Finland regularly are at the top of the worldwide happiness index despite paying some of the highest tax rates.

3:10-3:30 - Dismissal 

 

https://www.worldtribune.com/sweden-finland-norway-are-not-the-socialist-havens-ocasio-cortez-touted-on-60-minutes

[The_Dude]

The Nordic countries also don’t have our military commitments. The only reason they have the programs they do is because of NATO. Further, both are being overrun by Muslims so they’ll be 3rd world nations in a few generations. 

[Doc Brown]

7 minutes ago, sabrecrazed said:

https://www.worldtribune.com/sweden-finland-norway-are-not-the-socialist-havens-ocasio-cortez-touted-on-60-minutes

I get how comparing us with Nordic countries comparing apples to oranges (although it's interesting the article only focused on the corporate tax rates).  I just find it funny that nut jobs on the right think union grade school teachers are indoctrinating their students to embrace socialism.

[sabrecrazed]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

I get how comparing us with Nordic countries comparing apples to oranges (although it's interesting the article only focused on the corporate tax rates).  I just find it funny that nut jobs on the right think union grade school teachers are indoctrinating their students to embrace socialism.

I think it's funny that nut jobs on the left dismiss it as an impossibility. 

[Foxx]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

I get how comparing us with Nordic countries comparing apples to oranges (although it's interesting the article only focused on the corporate tax rates).  I just find it funny that nut jobs on the right think union grade school teachers are indoctrinating their students to embrace socialism.

they are not necessarily educating them. there is a difference between schooling someone and educating them.

Edited March 5, 2019 by Foxx

[BeginnersMind]

4 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

The Nordic countries also don’t have our military commitments. The only reason they have the programs they do is because of NATO. Further, both are being overrun by Muslims so they’ll be 3rd world nations in a few generations. 

 

The simplicity of all your arguments has a certain appeal. 

 

[Something is ***** up, ergo] Muslims!

 

The Deep State dominates the conclusion in this proof here so often that I find your  reasoning refreshing. Thank you and you should chat with LaDexter. He has a similar clean bit of reasoning. 

Edited March 5, 2019 by BeginnersMind