Who would you take, D. K. or T. J.?

[Yav]

5 hours ago, buffalostu2 said:

A lot of shots at DK's workout.  How about TJs?  4.7 in the 40 with build up speed?  Remember he will never be faster than right now.   

 

After a few weeks of NFL games getting knocked around in the trenches are you OK with a high pick TE running a 4.9 or 5.0 in games?  Will that get open?

 

Personally I would use the training staff to get DK more flexible - yoga, pilates, stretched, and pool work .  I'll take my chances on the upside of size, speed and hands.   

I’m confused. I get the size and speed but hands? Is the trading staff going to give him a hand transplant? 

 

Enter N’Keal Harry. Mad YAC skills, great hands, better route runner, 4.5 40, 6’3” and 27 reps on the bench. Oh and he can contribute on returns. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

If QBs do indeed get pushed up the board, it is going to be hard to pass on (I'm stealing this from Bandit btw) chossing between a couple of these guys
 

Nick Bosa

Quinnen Williams

Josh Allen

Josh Jacobs

Ed Oliver

Christian Wilkins

Jawaan Taylor

Rashan Gary

Devin White

Jeffrey Simmons

TJ Hockenson

 

Each of these players is better than Metcalf and I agree with Bandit that Simmons just doesn't seem like a process guy off the field. And if Bosa or Allen or in the impossible event that Both of them are there, get them both!

 

While we are throwing opinions out as fact Metcalf will be one of the top 5 receivers in the league within 3 years if not sooner. 

 

Even if his cone numbers mean he literally can only run one direction I’m ok with that. (But I think that’s oberblown) 

 

How often did Calvin Johnson or Randy moss just run straight knowing their speed and size were enough bc there just isn’t anyone on the defense with the combo to match?

 

And Im not buying a Stephen Hill or Heyward Bey comparison retort because D.K. was considered a top WR prospect since before this season maybe longer for reasons other than elite athleticism. Those guys only flew up draft boards last minute due to workouts. 

[Wagon Circler]

7 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I wouldn’t love either at 9, but is take TJ first for 3 reasons.

 

1- helps the run game and the pass game.

 

2- the drop from a TJ to a Kaden Smith in the second round, vs the drop from a Metcalf to a Deboo Samuel etc is more problematic for me.

 

3- the agility times on Metcalf are scary for many reasons most of which (which is widely ignored around here) is that it shows that he dedicated all of his time to getting fast on the 40 and getting big on the bench. He’s tight. Hes not a fluid athlete right now. He’s a big, fast, strong guy who can do certain things well but who is not a wholistically athletic person. He’s not a “freak” imo because he didn’t perform well across the board. Guys dominate the big show events at the combine all the time only to show that they can’t play football.

Metcalf had 67 career catches. I'm a Harry guy (heh heh).  Meanwhile Kaden Smith can play. Arciaga-Whiteside is an interesting day two pick.

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, Chemical said:

 

While we are throwing opinions out as fact Metcalf will be one of the top 5 receivers in the league within 3 years if not sooner. 

 

Even if his cone numbers mean he literally can only run one direction I’m ok with that. (But I think that’s oberblown) 

 

How often did Calvin Johnson or Randy moss just run straight knowing their speed and size were enough bc there just isn’t anyone on the defense with the combo to match?

 

And Im not buying a Stephen Hill or Heyward Bey comparison retort because D.K. was considered a top WR prospect since before this season maybe longer for reasons other than elite athleticism. Those guys only flew up draft boards last minute due to workouts. 

 

He has the agility of Tom Brady. Ha Randy Moss & Calvin Johnson!

[Peace Frog]

My take is that there are a lot of good receiver candidates in this draft but only a few good tight ends.  Ideally, I'd like us to trade back with Washington at 15 and grab T.J. there.  Hopefully, Green Bay doesn't get him at 12.

[GimmeSomeProcess]

I voted for TJ but prefer Jonah/Taykor/Sweat/Oliver. Then snag Butler/Jaws/Harry/Campbell in the 2nd.

[buffalostu2]

21 hours ago, Yav said:

I’m confused. I get the size and speed but hands? Is the trading staff going to give him a hand transplant? 

 

Enter N’Keal Harry. Mad YAC skills, great hands, better route runner, 4.5 40, 6’3” and 27 reps on the bench. Oh and he can contribute on returns. 

 

No fair, the question was DK or TJ.   I like Harry better too - he reminds me of Tim Brown the way he runs after the catch.   

 

You are correct hands are not something the training staff can necessarily improve.  I think Metcalf has pretty good hands though from what I have seen on tape.  I was just saying I would select DK over TJ and then go to work on his flexibility.   

 

Since you brought up Harry, I think the selection between he and DK will come down to mental makeup.     

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 3/4/2019 at 12:06 PM, buffalostu2 said:

A lot of shots at DK's workout.  How about TJs?  4.7 in the 40 with build up speed?  Remember he will never be faster than right now.   

 

After a few weeks of NFL games getting knocked around in the trenches are you OK with a high pick TE running a 4.9 or 5.0 in games?  Will that get open?

 

Personally I would use the training staff to get DK more flexible - yoga, pilates, stretched, and pool work .  I'll take my chances on the upside of size, speed and hands.   

 

I dunno - Witten wasn't very fast and what'd he catch like a thousand passes? Same goes for Kelce and Gronk - None of these guys runs faster than 4.7.

[Ramza86]

Can I pass the pick?

[Yav]

23 hours ago, buffalostu2 said:

 

No fair, the question was DK or TJ.   I like Harry better too - he reminds me of Tim Brown the way he runs after the catch.   

 

You are correct hands are not something the training staff can necessarily improve.  I think Metcalf has pretty good hands though from what I have seen on tape.  I was just saying I would select DK over TJ and then go to work on his flexibility.   

 

Since you brought up Harry, I think the selection between he and DK will come down to mental makeup.     

I get it, if I have to pick between the two ... I'd pick TJ. I honestly believe DK will be a PED problem. Ol Miss has a reputation with PED abuse. I'm also not a fan of a guy that can run really fast down field in one direction and maybe catch a ball. 

[BillsfaninSB]

I would pick TJ.  I hope Beane can work some magic and figure out how to get TJ, Risner and Harry. 

[GreggTX]

I think DK's stock went up after the combine. As far as the pick at 9 is concerned, I hope it's Ed Oliver.

[RocCityRoller]

Metcalf has bust written all over him just like I said Josh Rosen has bust written all over him

 

he has no history of production

 

he has 2 years, couldn't commit

 

he has 0 lateral movement, Brady did better in the combine

 

I DONT LIKE DK METCALF AS AN NFL PLAYER. PERIOD.

Edited March 7, 2019 by RocCityRoller

[PetermansRedemption]

On 3/4/2019 at 4:32 PM, Reed83HOF said:

If QBs do indeed get pushed up the board, it is going to be hard to pass on (I'm stealing this from Bandit btw) chossing between a couple of these guys
 

Nick Bosa

Quinnen Williams

Josh Allen

Josh Jacobs

Ed Oliver

Christian Wilkins

Jawaan Taylor

Rashan Gary

Devin White

Jeffrey Simmons

TJ Hockenson

 

Each of these players is better than Metcalf and I agree with Bandit that Simmons just doesn't seem like a process guy off the field. And if Bosa or Allen or in the impossible event that Both of them are there, get them both!

Quoted for truth. Take the stud DL or Edge and don’t look back. 

[RocCityRoller]

3 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

Quoted for truth. Take the stud DL or Edge and don’t look back. 

 

Too much stud DL/ front seven talent, or even a top OL to slip past #9 to take a risk on a DK Metcalf.

[PetermansRedemption]

1 minute ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Too much stud DL/ front seven talent, or even a top OL to slip past #9 to take a risk on a DK Metcalf.

Especially with this WR class. It isn’t so much top heavy as it is solid throughout. You’ll get a real good WR prospect in the 2nd/3rd round. 

Edited March 7, 2019 by Bills2ref

[RocCityRoller]

Just now, Bills2ref said:

Especially with this WR class. It isn’t so much top heavy as it is solid throughout. You’ll get a real good WR prospect in the 2nd/3rd round. 

 

agreed, if a top OL or DL falls take him. Trade back if needed, don't reach on DK Metcalf.

 

A lot of 2-4 round WR available.

[BillsFan17]

Hockenson all day 

[par73]

Neither at 9. Metcalf has great straight-line speed, but lacks agility-- slow out of his turns. There are also injury concerns. I liked Hockenson at Iowa (over the more-hyped Fant), but 9 is too high. I'd be open to him if they trade back.

[#34fan]

Trade back for Hockenson. I hate doing things like that, but it's time...TE position has been ignored for way too long... Josh, or whoever succeeds him needs that safety valve.