Who would you take, D. K. or T. J.?

[NewEraBills]

17 minutes ago, stosh64 said:

Who mentioned he can only run 9 routes?

I must have missed it.

 

Perhaps I misunderstood "having him run in a straight line"

 

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[Misterbluesky]

4 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

Assuming the Bills either stay put at 9 or trade down a few spots, who would you want?

Taylor-T Florida

[JM57]

3 hours ago, buffalostu2 said:

A lot of shots at DK's workout.  How about TJs?  4.7 in the 40 with build up speed?  Remember he will never be faster than right now.   

 

After a few weeks of NFL games getting knocked around in the trenches are you OK with a high pick TE running a 4.9 or 5.0 in games?  Will that get open?

 

Personally I would use the training staff to get DK more flexible - yoga, pilates, stretched, and pool work .  I'll take my chances on the upside of size, speed and hands.   

Who will run 40 yards more often, the WR or the TE? 4.7 for a TE is still above average (68th percentile). More important drills for TE are bench press for upper body strength, the broad jump and vertical jump for lower body strength and explosiveness, or shuttle and 3 cone for agility and change of direction (aka route running)

 

Hockenson was above average in all of those categories except bench press where he disappointed, scoring in the 21st percentile.

 

I'm not entirely against Metcalf, but his agility drills weren't just below average, they were literally bottom of the barrel. 3rd percentile.

 

 

Edited March 4, 2019 by JM57

[whatdrought]

The biggest issue that I see with the Metcalf hype isn't his poor agility times- it's that he had such poor agility times versus such strong 40 and jump measurements. 

 

The jumps and the 40 are important because they show how much raw athleticism is there. 

 

The agility tests are important because they demonstrate how that athleticism is funneled into the whole player.

 

The slow agility times take away from the big showings in the jumps and the 40 because it opens the door to the question of whether or not he just trained really hard for those drills to make a splash. It isn't to say that there is no chance he turns out to be a stud, or that his agility is a huge deal, but rather it begs the question. It casts a cloud over his whole combine performance, in my opinion. 

[Doc Brown]

Tight ends usually don't get drafted that high and with good reason.  The last five (Ebron, Davis, Winslow, Dudley, K. Brady.) weren't worth the pick.  Metcalf has too many question marks to go that high, but I'd choose him over a tight end.  His potential is just off the charts.

[NewEra]

Tj

[billsbackto81]

I'd take Hock if I'd have to take one at 9.

 

Much more WR talent to be had than TE. 

 

Hock has " sure fire" stud written all over him. Metcalf though a physical freak has red flags and a small body of college production.

[Reed83HOF]

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Tj

I like Fant too!

 

“We're looking for guys that can get open and catch the ball,” McDermott said. “I know it should go without saying but it's not making more complicated than it is. At the end of the day, a wide receiver’s job is to get open and catch the football.”

Edited March 4, 2019 by Reed83HOF

[MJS]

Either would be fine after a hefty trade down.

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I like Fant too!

 

“We're looking for guys that can get open and catch the ball,” McDermott said. “I know it should go without saying but it's not making more complicated than it is. At the end of the day, a wide receiver’s job is to get open and catch the football.”

I do too, but I prefer Hockenson.  By far actually.  I almost see him as twice as good because of his blocking ability.  When you can find a TE that loves blocking and blocks well paired with him running ability and hands, sign me up.  

 

Fant looks good, but I just think he’s a liability as a blocker and I’m worried that he’s not a true hands guy.  We have josh Allen.  We need hands guys.  He’s a talent though and can really stretch the field.  

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

At 9? Neither.

 

He didn’t really ask if you wanted them at 9.  He said 9 was too early.  He basically just wants to know, which one you would take if you had to choose between the two.

 

[BillsCelticsAngelsBama]

OL, DL or Devin White. Period

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

I do too, but I prefer Hockenson.  By far actually.  I almost see him as twice as good because of his blocking ability.  When you can find a TE that loves blocking and blocks well paired with him running ability and hands, sign me up.  

 

Fant looks good, but I just think he’s a liability as a blocker and I’m worried that he’s not a true hands guy.  We have josh Allen.  We need hands guys.  He’s a talent though and can really stretch the field.  

 

I don't disagree with any of this btw. I think it is is the best of both worlds, he is out there to block and he also could be a receiver, unlike when you have a blocking TE and another guy who is your receiver TE, it kinda telegraphs what you are trying to do. Also he can help keep Allen upright which is a huge plus

[GreggTX]

Hockenson can catch, run and block. He's not going to blow you away with speed, but he still has the tools to be an effective weapon for Allen. Additionally, I think that getting the ground attack going again should be a top priority and that starts up front. We're not going to win a lot of games with Josh Allen throwing the ball more than 30 times. We've got to be able to pound the rock.

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

I don't disagree with any of this btw. I think it is is the best of both worlds, he is out there to block and he also could be a receiver, unlike when you have a blocking TE and another guy who is your receiver TE, it kinda telegraphs what you are trying to do. Also he can help keep Allen upright which is a huge plus

I almost view hockenson as can’t miss if he’s healthy.  He’s always going to be an asset.  Might not be worthy of #9, but he’s gonna be productive 

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, NewEra said:

I almost view hockenson as can’t miss if he’s healthy.  He’s always going to be an asset.  Might not be worthy of #9, but he’s gonna be productive 

If QBs do indeed get pushed up the board, it is going to be hard to pass on (I'm stealing this from Bandit btw) chossing between a couple of these guys
 

Nick Bosa

Quinnen Williams

Josh Allen

Josh Jacobs

Ed Oliver

Christian Wilkins

Jawaan Taylor

Rashan Gary

Devin White

Jeffrey Simmons

TJ Hockenson

 

Each of these players is better than Metcalf and I agree with Bandit that Simmons just doesn't seem like a process guy off the field. And if Bosa or Allen or in the impossible event that Both of them are there, get them both!

[LABILLBACKER]

I'd take TJ but only on a trade down. DK's 3 cone killed him. I think we're going edge rusher or OL.

[NewEra]

39 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

If QBs do indeed get pushed up the board, it is going to be hard to pass on (I'm stealing this from Bandit btw) chossing between a couple of these guys
 

Nick Bosa

Quinnen Williams

Josh Allen

Josh Jacobs

Ed Oliver

Christian Wilkins

Jawaan Taylor

Rashan Gary

Devin White

Jeffrey Simmons

TJ Hockenson

 

Each of these players is better than Metcalf and I agree with Bandit that Simmons just doesn't seem like a process guy off the field. And if Bosa or Allen or in the impossible event that Both of them are there, get them both!

Yeah that’s exactly where I’m at.  I hadn’t seen Jacobs name in the mix, but that’s my guy. I just don’t see us taking him at 9.

 

Wilkins is the guy that I’m torn on.  Great player I just don’t know if I’d be happy with him at 9.  Gary is looking to make more sense if he’s available at 9, but I just don’t like the guy.  I don’t think he’s worth 9.  White is tremendous.  I don’t think he’ll be there.  

 

Oliver and Taylor are my favorites for the pick. 

 

Bosa, Allen and quinnen won’t be there and Simmons was probably never on our board after they saw that video.

 

 

......now I’m thinking.  If BPA is the route, is Josh Jacobs in play at 9?  What if we can’t trade down and we have to stick to our board and JJ is that guy.  

[Pete]

at 9 I am ok with Hockinson, Bosa, Oliver, Josh, Williams or White.  If it's not one of those 5- trade down!

[Reed83HOF]

19 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah that’s exactly where I’m at.  I hadn’t seen Jacobs name in the mix, but that’s my guy. I just don’t see us taking him at 9.

 

Wilkins is the guy that I’m torn on.  Great player I just don’t know if I’d be happy with him at 9.  Gary is looking to make more sense if he’s available at 9, but I just don’t like the guy.  I don’t think he’s worth 9.  White is tremendous.  I don’t think he’ll be there.  

 

Oliver and Taylor are my favorites for the pick. 

 

Bosa, Allen and quinnen won’t be there and Simmons was probably never on our board after they saw that video.

 

 

......now I’m thinking.  If BPA is the route, is Josh Jacobs in play at 9?  What if we can’t trade down and we have to stick to our board and JJ is that guy.  

 

I am not in love with an RB @9, but if he is BPA and we can get what 7-8 years out of him; I think I am okay with that.  A dynamic RB with Allen as a pass/run threat isn't a bad thing at all. I think I would be more okay with this than reaching. I am not sure I would take him over TJ since I think finding a TE is more difficult.

 

 

[bobs0108]

I would rather have TJ with a trade down to somewhere like 20 but if staying at 9 I’m taking DK.