Jasovon Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 Metcalf is a drag racer, not much use when it comes to corners. He is a physical freak but I'm not convinced he is a good wr
CommonCents Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Butler has issues with drops. Thats the difference “Some of his dropsies could be attributed to his lack of explosion in and out of cuts” “The ASU product appeared heavy footed running routes and didn’t consistently come down with balls delivered in the strike zone” That’s from BB, I didn’t watch it so I have no idea. I’m really confused how in one breath Harry is a must have and then in another he is slow and dropping balls. Did he drop passes yesterday? Does anyone find it alarming that a guy who looks stiff on tape didn’t run the agility drills? That says a lot to me.
KD in CA Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 Good grief, why not just sign Usian Bolt as an UDFA?
Solomon Grundy Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 4 hours ago, CookieG said: And there is that... Since the OP brought up a Julio Jones comparison, Julio's 3 cone time was about 3/4 of a second better. there's a lot more bake to Metcalf than there is shake (to those who actually remember Shake and Bake). Not to say that he can't become a dominant receiver, but I agree, it isn't a certainty. And his short shuttle was comparable to Deandre Hopkins, Dez Bryant and Robert Woods
BuffAlone Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, CommonCents said: “Some of his dropsies could be attributed to his lack of explosion in and out of cuts” “The ASU product appeared heavy footed running routes and didn’t consistently come down with balls delivered in the strike zone” That’s from BB, I didn’t watch it so I have no idea. I’m really confused how in one breath Harry is a must have and then in another he is slow and dropping balls. Did he drop passes yesterday? Does anyone find it alarming that a guy who looks stiff on tape didn’t run the agility drills? That says a lot to me. I didn't watch. But I can't recall drops being an issue with Harry collegiantly, like is the case with Butler
Alphadawg7 Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 57 minutes ago, Logic said: Another thing to think about: Beane and McDermott come from the Panthers, who have historically NOT drafted receivers with their 1st pick. They have much more often used high picks on defensive linemen and offensive linemen. The Panthers seem to go by the "no #1 WR, but a collection of #2 receivers" (pun intended only if you want it to be) school of thought. Based on McDermott and Beane's recent comments, they seem to agree. Something about a WR at 9 doesn't feel like it's in Beane/McDermott's wheelhouse. At any rate, so much of the draft discussion is almost completely pointless until we see what free agency brings. Keep in mind Panthers haven’t won squat with that philosophy either. They made one SB run and didn’t have enough fire power to win. Haven’t sniffed it other than that one season. So not exactly the philosophy to mirror. 1 1
Solomon Grundy Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 31 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Butler has issues with drops. Thats the difference So did T.O. and Jerry Rice
Augie Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 4 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Defensive linemen 100%. Especially if a couple QB’s go top 8 and a team or two go DB or LB for need, there should be some elite talent, it seems. 1
Solomon Grundy Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 3 hours ago, gjv001 said: He overwhelmingly exceeds all the measurables for a WR. His game tapes against SEC talent shows a WR winning on contested balls and breaking tackles. His coaches speak very highly about his character and work ethic. Similar to Edmonds, he comes from an NFL family. He has the potential to be a Julio Jones type WR. He appears to address a position of need at a higher level than other draftees at a position of need. Is that worth a risk at 9? ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!! Can't sleep on pedigree and DNA!!
EmotionallyUnstable Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 Because we aren't drafting pentathletes. I want a proven football player. I get the injuries, lack of targets etc. I just want a player who has extensive film that can come in an immediately, will little doubt, improve this football team. Maybe he'll be a great WR and maybe he'll flop out. But is that a risk, at #9 overall, the Bills are in a position to take? I highly doubt it.
OldTimer1960 Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: I really doubt he falls that far...and he is going to run at the UB Pro Day. 3rd? Maybe - depends on his health and what he runs. I’m thinking 3rd-4th round unless he runs a poor 40. I think if he runs 4.55 or better then he will go in 3rd or 4th. 4.6 or worse hurts him a lot.
Chicken Boo Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) I've been all in since October. The only suprising thing about his combine performance for me was the 4.33. I thought he'd be a solid 4.4 guy. A big arm QB and a monster WR that can stretch the defense and folks are opposed to it? The *****...? ? Edited March 3, 2019 by Chicken Boo
freddyjj Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: Beane made it to two Bulls games this year...with Johnson not running,I bet his stock falls around the league but it shouldn't effect what Beane knows about him. AJ in the second????? AJ from UB will likely be a day 3 pick now. Not as big or strong as most thought and has real issues gaining separation
BringBackOrton Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: I've been all in since October. The only suprising thing about his combine performance for me was the 4.33. I thought he'd be a solid 4.4 guy. A big arm QB and a monster WR that can stretch the defense and folks are opposed to it? The *****...? ? It's because my man can't turn.
BillsVet Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 36 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Keep in mind Panthers haven’t won squat with that philosophy either. They made one SB run and didn’t have enough fire power to win. Haven’t sniffed it other than that one season. So not exactly the philosophy to mirror. Carolina has been one of the most inconsistent teams in the NFL the past 8 years. 3 10 win seasons and 5 mediocre years mixed in is not the model I'd follow, but they're doing just that. I don't understand why McBeane are convinced being Carolina north is the way to go after those results. I wanted to believe these two were fairly innovative, but have seen that it's a replication here, extending to the guys they bring in from that roster (Tolbert, Benjamin, Lotulelei, Kaelin Clay, Dean Marlowe). They are going with what they know and don't seem open to new things.
BillsGuru4 Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) I would be most excited if this is the pick, especially if we address OL in free agency Edited March 3, 2019 by BillsGuru4
billspro Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Yav said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2019/3/2/18245181/2019-nfl-combine-results-wide-receiver-tight-end https://www.google.com/amp/arizonasports.com/story/1859692/n-keal-harry-has-impressive-day-nfl-combine-40-yard-dash-jumping/amp/ Do a search on Twitter for N’Keal Harry and you’ll see. I get it most on the East Coast don’t get to see PAC 12 games, but this kid is the real deal. Thankfully some NFL scouts recognize how good this young man really is. As a Ducks fan, I wasn't super impressed with him. All he caught was WR screens, other than that that he couldn't get separation against us. 1 hour ago, CommonCents said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001020526/article/2019-nfl-scouting-combine-winnerslosers-dk-metcalf-is-rare%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Dcombine-winners-and-losers&p.ct=Combine%2bRecap%2b&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%23000&p.bgc1m=%23EAEAEA&sr=amp Concering. From the limited amount of him that I have watched that’s what I see. Slow. If you’re so high on Harry what do you think about Butler? Seems you like the catch radius and speed, he is bigger, faster and has the wing span of a 7 footer. I think Butler has a chance to be a legit number 1 WR. I'm hoping we get him in round 2.
thebandit27 Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: I've been all in since October. The only suprising thing about his combine performance for me was the 4.33. I thought he'd be a solid 4.4 guy. A big arm QB and a monster WR that can stretch the defense and folks are opposed to it? The *****...? ? Some of us have seen the height/weight/speed guy that can't run 60% of the route tree thing played out before, and we'd like to see the guy be able to play the position. 3
OldTimer1960 Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said: This is why i would like to see Bills maneuver picks. would like to see either 2TEs and or 2 Wrs or a combination to get 3 pass catchers from the draft. both of these things can happen outside of the first round and still acquire starters. right after FA fixes the O line. : ) and gets a TE in FA as well. I’d rather see them bolster the OL. At this point, it looks almost certain that BPA at their pick will be a DL, likely by a wide margin. So, I expect a DL in the 1st. After that, I’d love to see an OL player like Risner or Bradbury or McCoy or... Unless they sign two starting caliber OL in FA, I cannot see how they could take a WR or TE in the first 3 rounds. Now, if they trade down in round 1 and pick up an extra 2nd, then maybe they could grab a pass catcher in the first 3 rounds.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Carolina has been one of the most inconsistent teams in the NFL the past 8 years. 3 10 win seasons and 5 mediocre years mixed in is not the model I'd follow, but they're doing just that. I don't understand why McBeane are convinced being Carolina north is the way to go after those results. I wanted to believe these two were fairly innovative, but have seen that it's a replication here, extending to the guys they bring in from that roster (Tolbert, Benjamin, Lotulelei, Kaelin Clay, Dean Marlowe). They are going with what they know and don't seem open to new things. I don't think they are building this team the same way they did with Carolina though just because we had some ex panther players in here. KB was only traded for because of the playoff run, otherwise that trade NEVER happens. And mid season, there were no other WR's available for trade that had starter and WR1 status. The only player other than that they Brought in to be part of this team moving forward was Star. The rest were stop gap fill ins. 2
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