HomeTeam Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 9 hours ago, Yav said: He’s a good kid. He’s willing to block as well as contribute on special teams. His YAC is the best of all WR in this draft. I believe he’s going to be similar to Anquan Bolin. Big strong dependable WR. He plays faster than that 4.5 40 time. Watch some one of the videos of him on YouTube. I just think he is a safer pick than DK and he’s from my school ? Just seen some highlight videos of him, looks legitimate. This WR group is missing a big bodied receiver who can go up and grab it. Josh Allen seems like the type of quarterback who would throw it up and give his guys a chance to make a play. All I know, there are going to be some great players in the second round to choose from. It will be interesting which direction they go. Ps. For those people comparing him to Kelvin Benjamin, Kelvin's 40 time was 4.61 and by the time he came to Buffalo I'm sure he was already a shell of that.
YattaOkasan Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Magox said: Admittedly, I have only seen the highlight reels of N'Keal and while he looks to be in the mold of a Boldin sort of reciever who is extremely strong, physical and able to pluck balls out of the air with his strong hands, he rarely seems to separate. I'm not sure if our experiences with Kelvin have skewed how I view receivers who dont separate well, but it's certainly a cause for concern. I'm probably unfairly comparing the two but separation matters and if you had to be concerned about any part of his game, I think you could justifiably say this would be the one. I recommend watching a full game of his or two on youtube (search "nkeal harry vs") he particularly plays big against utah. Its not just the highlights. Hes working every play, and he brings some of his biggest plays when his team needs it in the 4th quarter. He really popped off the screen to me relative to other WRs. Heres Oregon. This was probably the game he struggled the most but if he makes two catches that he drops he has a really good game and ASU might win. Either way I think Oregon was super keyed in on him after he scorched them in 2017. This is Utah which he was huge Edited March 20, 2019 by YattaOkasan 1
Dr. Who Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 25 minutes ago, HomeTeam said: Just seen some highlight videos of him, looks legitimate. This WR group is missing a big bodied receiver who can go up and grab it. Josh Allen seems like the type of quarterback who would throw it up and give his guys a chance to make a play. All I know, there are going to be some great players in the second round to choose from. It will be interesting which direction they go. Ps. For those people comparing him to Kelvin Benjamin, Kelvin's 40 time was 4.61 and by the time he came to Buffalo I'm sure he was already a shell of that. Harry would be a solid choice if he is available in the second. Don't forget about Duke Williams, however. He might turn out to be that big bodied receiver that can go get it.
HomeTeam Posted March 20, 2019 Posted March 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: Harry would be a solid choice if he is available in the second. Don't forget about Duke Williams, however. He might turn out to be that big bodied receiver that can go get it. Daam, I always forget about him. So true, I'm optimistic about him also ? 1
thebandit27 Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter 54m54 minutes ago More Arizona St. WR N’Keal Harry, who impressed during his Pro Day today in front of all 32 teams, is scheduled to meet with the Cardinals, Broncos, Detroit, Buffalo and Saints, per source. 5 2
DuckyBoys Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 Lot of good receivers in this draft class. Might be comparable to 2014 Longer it takes for the first one off the board the better Maybe Metcalf doesn't go till mid to late 1st round I think the Bills can get somebody very very talented in round 2 or even 3 at wr
Mat68 Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 4:43 PM, Yav said: Exactly. Harry was able to produce. Most people just want to say his production dropped because the stats show that, but what they don't see is that ASU couldn't figure out how to use Harry and started running the ball more due to poor QB play. Harry is the same size as DK. Put up the same reps at the combine. Is a high character kid and is a 3rd year player. DK is a second year player and really only ran two routes. For me Harry right now is better than DK and has all the upside with less risk. Two factors make Metcalf the universal top prospect. Rare height weight speed combination. When he was on the feild he routinely created seperation and showed an extra gear to track a deep ball like a 5'10 180 wr. Imo Harry is about the same as Zay Jones.
thebandit27 Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Two factors make Metcalf the universal top prospect. Rare height weight speed combination. When he was on the feild he routinely created seperation and showed an extra gear to track a deep ball like a 5'10 180 wr. Imo Harry is about the same as Zay Jones. Which begs the question: why was he the #3 WR on his own team in college? 1
Kelly the Dog Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 29 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Two factors make Metcalf the universal top prospect. Rare height weight speed combination. When he was on the feild he routinely created seperation and showed an extra gear to track a deep ball like a 5'10 180 wr. Imo Harry is about the same as Zay Jones. There isn’t anything about Harry that is like Zay Jones outside of the fact they play WR. 1
NewEraBills Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter 54m54 minutes ago More Arizona St. WR N’Keal Harry, who impressed during his Pro Day today in front of all 32 teams, is scheduled to meet with the Cardinals, Broncos, Detroit, Buffalo and Saints, per source. I'm in the camp of three WRs for the Bills: Metcalf AJ Brown or Harry If we can get one of them I'll be happy. 2
NewEraBills Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 27 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: There isn’t anything about Harry that is like Zay Jones outside of the fact they play WR. Actually, and it's not their fault per se but I disagree. I think Harry, AJ Brown, and Zay Jones are somewhat similar in that they are all volume catchers. They all get a lot of looks and so their volume of catches is high. DK wasn't a volume guy for Ole Miss, he and Lodge were the big play guys so their volume and therefore their stats are not going to be close to volume guys. Now where I think AJ and Harry are different is just raw talent. I think AJ Brown has the talent to be a #1 WR regardless of where you play him. Same with Harry. Zay thus far has shown that he's primarily a complimentary guy. Maybe he has more to show but up to this point he's shown complimentary attributes and not dominating attributes.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 On 3/20/2019 at 4:34 AM, Magox said: Admittedly, I have only seen the highlight reels of N'Keal and while he looks to be in the mold of a Boldin sort of reciever who is extremely strong, physical and able to pluck balls out of the air with his strong hands, he rarely seems to separate. I'm not sure if our experiences with Kelvin have skewed how I view receivers who dont separate well, but it's certainly a cause for concern. I'm probably unfairly comparing the two but separation matters and if you had to be concerned about any part of his game, I think you could justifiably say this would be the one. He’s faster than Antonio Brown and several other top WRs. I don’t get why people say he can’t separate well.
CommonCents Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 31 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Elway asking Beane how to evaluate QBs.
Bangarang Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 I could totally see BB trading back into the 1st to get him. 1
Mat68 Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Which begs the question: why was he the #3 WR on his own team in college? He wasnt though. Before the injury had more TDs and yards then Brown. He was also the only Wr on the roster other teams would double on occasion.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 45 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: Actually, and it's not their fault per se but I disagree. I think Harry, AJ Brown, and Zay Jones are somewhat similar in that they are all volume catchers. They all get a lot of looks and so their volume of catches is high. DK wasn't a volume guy for Ole Miss, he and Lodge were the big play guys so their volume and therefore their stats are not going to be close to volume guys. Now where I think AJ and Harry are different is just raw talent. I think AJ Brown has the talent to be a #1 WR regardless of where you play him. Same with Harry. Zay thus far has shown that he's primarily a complimentary guy. Maybe he has more to show but up to this point he's shown complimentary attributes and not dominating attributes. Harry is not a volume guy he's a big play guy. Harry is the guy that gets a 2-24 stat line in the first half after he makes a spectacular 30 yard catch over his head on the sidelines no one catches, catches a WR screen way behind him that is blown up and makes two guys miss before the third gets him for a six yard loss, and Manny Wilkins misses him by three yards two times wide open on bombs when he beat his guy by five yards. He's not a volume guy at all. He's spectacular, and huge, and fast, and does everything. 1
Mat68 Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: There isn’t anything about Harry that is like Zay Jones outside of the fact they play WR. Both 6-2. Harry is thicker at 223 vs Jones 203. Jones 4.45 40 vs harry 4.53. Both scouting report weakness reads almost the same. Foot speed an issue threating a defense deep, will struggle vs press due to lack of suddenness and quickness. Both work well underneath. They are similar in alot of ways. I would rather have Zay jones year 3 than Harry year 1. I would rather have Metcalf or trade down or rd 2 Butler. 6 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Harry is not a volume guy he's a big play guy. Harry is the guy that gets a 2-24 stat line in the first half after he makes a spectacular 30 yard catch over his head on the sidelines no one catches, catches a WR screen way behind him that is blown up and makes two guys miss before the third gets him for a six yard loss, and Manny Wilkins misses him by three yards two times wide open on bombs when he beat his guy by five yards. He's not a volume guy at all. He's spectacular, and huge, and fast, and does everything. He is not huge or fast though. I dont care what the combine says. You watch him play nothing jumps out at you.
NewEraBills Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Harry is not a volume guy he's a big play guy. Harry is the guy that gets a 2-24 stat line in the first half after he makes a spectacular 30 yard catch over his head on the sidelines no one catches, catches a WR screen way behind him that is blown up and makes two guys miss before the third gets him for a six yard loss, and Manny Wilkins misses him by three yards two times wide open on bombs when he beat his guy by five yards. He's not a volume guy at all. He's spectacular, and huge, and fast, and does everything. Just because a stat line is pedestrian doesn't mean a guy isn't a high volume guy. The QB just might have been off or he could have dropped it. 73 catches this past season and 82 prior is high volume. I'm not saying that to say that he's bad. Far from it. But this does not preclude him also being a big play guy either. I only mentioned that as from what I've seen of him on tape, he gets targeted a hell of a lot. Just like AJ Brown and Brown is a high volume guy. That doesn't mean they are bad, that's just what they share in common with Zay Jones, but that's about all. They both have big play ability which we haven't seen from Jones.
Kelly the Dog Posted March 27, 2019 Posted March 27, 2019 37 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Both 6-2. Harry is thicker at 223 vs Jones 203. Jones 4.45 40 vs harry 4.53. Both scouting report weakness reads almost the same. Foot speed an issue threating a defense deep, will struggle vs press due to lack of suddenness and quickness. Both work well underneath. They are similar in alot of ways. I would rather have Zay jones year 3 than Harry year 1. I would rather have Metcalf or trade down or rd 2 Butler. He is not huge or fast though. I dont care what the combine says. You watch him play nothing jumps out at you. ASU is my team. I have seen almost every game Harry has played in his career. He plays ZERO like Zay Jones. Harry runs right by people all the time. 1 minute ago, NewEraBills said: Just because a stat line is pedestrian doesn't mean a guy isn't a high volume guy. The QB just might have been off or he could have dropped it. 73 catches this past season and 82 prior is high volume. I'm not saying that to say that he's bad. Far from it. But this does not preclude him also being a big play guy either. I only mentioned that as from what I've seen of him on tape, he gets targeted a hell of a lot. Just like AJ Brown and Brown is a high volume guy. That doesn't mean they are bad, that's just what they share in common with Zay Jones, but that's about all. They both have big play ability which we haven't seen from Jones. I watch every game. ASU is my team. You cannot go by stats or by highlights. Harry is a ridiculous player.
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