Deranged Rhino Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: I actually think that's the ticket the DNC is kinda hoping for. Don't mistake me, I think you're correct. That is what the DNC is hoping for (in DC/the Beltway).
3rdnlng Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: She worked in the Public sector as an Assistant to the Mayor of Chicago, Assistant Commissioner of Planning and Development, Executive Director for the Chicago office of Public Allies, Associate Dean of Student Services at the University of Chicago developing the University's Community Service Center, worked as executive director for community affairs and then as Vice President for Community and External Affairs for Chicago Hospitals. She's super smart, graduating from Princeton and then Harvard law school. She's very well-spoken, which would help in addressing not only the public, but also in foreign relations. She's a fantastic role-model. That more than checks any boxes she would need, especially now that so many boxes have been eliminated with our current president. If Michelle Obama ran for President, she would win. If she ran against Trump, it wouldn't surprise me if he would bow out knowing the inevitable outcome. But she's not running, so no point in discussing it, really. But I was challenged to answer a question, so I did. If it was discovered that both Michelle and her husband colluded with a known felon serving time to perpetrate fraud while accepting a bribe of 500K would you change your mind about them?
DC Tom Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: She worked in the Public sector as an Assistant to the Mayor of Chicago, Assistant Commissioner of Planning and Development, Executive Director for the Chicago office of Public Allies, Associate Dean of Student Services at the University of Chicago developing the University's Community Service Center, worked as executive director for community affairs and then as Vice President for Community and External Affairs for Chicago Hospitals. She's super smart, graduating from Princeton and then Harvard law school. She's very well-spoken, which would help in addressing not only the public, but also in foreign relations. She's a fantastic role-model. That more than checks any boxes she would need, especially now that so many boxes have been eliminated with our current president. If Michelle Obama ran for President, she would win. If she ran against Trump, it wouldn't surprise me if he would bow out knowing the inevitable outcome. But she's not running, so no point in discussing it, really. But I was challenged to answer a question, so I did. Ahh, yes. The "Well-Spoken Black." Not racist at all.
Golden Goat Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 34 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I love the aspirational ideals of the Green New Deal, but not all parts of it essentially for how it would or would not be put into practice. I absolutely believe in man's influence on our climate. Considering how much we've changed the world in the last century, I believe it's foolish not to. Plus, there's science. I absolutely believe everyone should get health care and I'm fine paying more in taxes for it. Our taxes go to things like our highways and bridges and airports and trains and education system and social security and so on... they should absolutely go towards people getting health coverage, too. I absolutely believe there's been a history of repression of women, of people of color, and of indigenous people (Native Americans, Hawaiians, etc.) that's systemic in our very culture that needs to change. If you think I'm a Democratic Socialist because of those things in particular, fine. But no, I do not consider myself a Socialist. So far, reasonable enough. Where do you stand on: giving economic security even to those "unwilling" to work? reparations?
Koko78 Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 52 minutes ago, /dev/null said: So is Laura Bush qualified to be President? How about Melania Trump? Seriously? 6 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Ahh, yes. The "Well-Spoken Black." Not racist at all. In addition, she's not at all uppity, and is a credit to her race.
IDBillzFan Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: If you think I'm a Democratic Socialist because of those things in particular, fine. But no, I do not consider myself a Socialist. Let's start with these simple yes or no questions. Just yes or no. Do you think there should be a cap on how much someone can earn? Do you think the Green Deal portion which provides a living wage to people unwilling to work is worth pursuing? If you are willing to pay taxes to provide health care to all, how much are you willing to pay, and who would be exempt from paying for it? Should illegals be allowed to get this free health care? Should college be free? Should cell phones be free? Should wifi be free? Should the marijuana industry be turned over the all African Americans as reparations? Should the borders be open? Are you on board with VA and NY to terminate babies born through botched abortions? Are you okay with PP harvesting and selling baby parts from abortions?
transplantbillsfan Posted March 1, 2019 Author Posted March 1, 2019 55 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Ahh, yes. The "Well-Spoken Black." Not racist at all. WTF are you talking about idiot?! Did I say anything about race? I brought up well-spoken because of who currently sits incapably in the Oval Office. If race was what came to your mind when I said that, look in the mirror when you're throwing out accusations of racism, moron. Hey, I guess I'm kinda getting the hang of this namecalling thing that's acceptable here...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 1, 2019 Author Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Golden Goat said: So far, reasonable enough. Where do you stand on: giving economic security even to those "unwilling" to work? reparations? #1 is the one I don't really care for. I'd ask for #2 the same thing he was asked when asked if he would commit to reparations like a couple of the other candidates... what exactly are reparations and how would they be implemented? Yes, I could get behind some form of reparations considering the massive economic disparity that's existed in our country since its founding and has persisted even after the Civil Rights Act of the 60s in subtle, but still pernicious practices like red lining. But I would need specific details. I'd get behind something, though, yes. I'd like it to include Native Americans and Hawaiians, too. Edited March 1, 2019 by transplantbillsfan 1
snafu Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 26 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: #1 is the one I don't really care for. I'd ask for #2 the same thing he was asked when asked if he would commit to reparations like a couple of the other candidates... what exactly are reparations and how would they be implemented? Yes, I could get behind some form of reparations considering the massive economic disparity that's existed in our country since its founding and has persisted even after the Civil Rights Act of the 60s in subtle, but still pernicious practices like red lining. But I would need specific details. I'd get behind something, though, yes. I'd like it to include Native Americans and Hawaiians, too. So, pay reparations and then what? Continue on our merry way? Saying that reparations might be a good idea is as near to admitting that most every attempt to deal with systemic racism has been a failure as anything I can think of. So, again, pay and then what?
keepthefaith Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: I love the aspirational ideals of the Green New Deal, but not all parts of it essentially for how it would or would not be put into practice. I absolutely believe in man's influence on our climate. Considering how much we've changed the world in the last century, I believe it's foolish not to. Plus, there's science. The left and most media wants us to believe that we are a society on a wreckless path of spiraling pollution when the exact opposite is true. The U.S. is the nation that has reduced carbon emissions the most in recent years. Rarely is this reported. https://www.forbes.com/sites/simonlack/2018/08/23/guess-whos-most-effective-at-combating-global-warming/#6b9064e25cdb All of the car companies are investing hugely to develop electric cars and fuel economy regulations are requiring more fuel efficient vehicles. Power plants are continually becoming cleaner and solar power sources are proliferating as that technology becomes more cost effective. We are already on the path to cleaner water, air and lower CO2 emissions and have been for decades and it's happening without an overly burdensome impact on taxation and energy cost. Why not stay the course? The Green New Deal is a political pipe dream not supported by any reasonable math. Republican pols though are not able or willing thus far to articulate the facts to the public or to offer a reasonable approach that continues the progress. Democrat pols are not interested in the facts and simply seek to demagogue and capitalize on an uninformed public with a plan that is ridiculous and has zero chance of being enacted. Edited March 1, 2019 by keepthefaith 1
Koko78 Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 I'm confused: Am I expected to pay reparations to blacks for slavery, which my family never engaged in or benefited from, or for systemic reconstruction/Jim Crow racism, which my family never engaged in or benefited from?
DC Tom Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 58 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: WTF are you talking about idiot?! Did I say anything about race? I brought up well-spoken because of who currently sits incapably in the Oval Office. If race was what came to your mind when I said that, look in the mirror when you're throwing out accusations of racism, moron. Hey, I guess I'm kinda getting the hang of this namecalling thing that's acceptable here... "I'm only comparing him to the current guy" was exactly the defense people used when they were called racist for saying Barack Obama was "well-spoken." Your party set the standard that "well spoken" is a racist dog whistle. So by that standard shall ye be judged. Own it, you hypocritical moron.
keepthefaith Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Koko78 said: I'm confused: Am I expected to pay reparations to blacks for slavery, which my family never engaged in or benefited from, or for systemic reconstruction/Jim Crow racism, which my family never engaged in or benefited from? Like all American societal corrections the rich will pay for it. In this case the white rich.
DC Tom Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Koko78 said: I'm confused: Am I expected to pay reparations to blacks for slavery, which my family never engaged in or benefited from, or for systemic reconstruction/Jim Crow racism, which my family never engaged in or benefited from? But you benefited from "systemic racism."
Koko78 Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, DC Tom said: But you benefited from "systemic racism." Damn those sneaky systemic racist bastards! Since I unwittingly, and without my permission, benefited from systemic racism, am I now entitled to recompense for the inconvenience?
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: She worked in the Public sector as an Assistant to the Mayor of Chicago, Assistant Commissioner of Planning and Development, Executive Director for the Chicago office of Public Allies, Associate Dean of Student Services at the University of Chicago developing the University's Community Service Center, worked as executive director for community affairs and then as Vice President for Community and External Affairs for Chicago Hospitals. She's super smart, graduating from Princeton and then Harvard law school. She's very well-spoken, which would help in addressing not only the public, but also in foreign relations. She's a fantastic role-model. That more than checks any boxes she would need, especially now that so many boxes have been eliminated with our current president. If Michelle Obama ran for President, she would win. If she ran against Trump, it wouldn't surprise me if he would bow out knowing the inevitable outcome. But she's not running, so no point in discussing it, really. But I was challenged to answer a question, so I did. Tell me how she got those jobs, and tell me about her achievements in those roles. 1
Buftex Posted March 1, 2019 Posted March 1, 2019 4 hours ago, LABillzFan said: All of your candidates are extreme left candidates. Some are just more vocal. When the debates start, the first question will be about socialism, and when you hear them all talking about how the problem with socialism is it just wasn't done right, that'll be the end of that. And if that doesn't do it, the endless list of candidates who already signed on the AOC's campaign manager's Green Deal will certainly wipe them out. Socialism, Open Borders, dead babies and Global Warming Cooling Climate Change are the Donner Party's priority right now. The problem is that is not the average American's priority. And even if you can convince Biden and his Rhetorical Flourish to run, sticking him with an Open Borders Hero like Robert Francis is a death call. Lord, you really are an insufferable douche-bag. 1
transplantbillsfan Posted March 1, 2019 Author Posted March 1, 2019 42 minutes ago, DC Tom said: "I'm only comparing him to the current guy" was exactly the defense people used when they were called racist for saying Barack Obama was "well-spoken." Your party set the standard that "well spoken" is a racist dog whistle. So by that standard shall ye be judged. Own it, you hypocritical moron. No. You don't get to escape your dumbass racist comment. Don't project your own racism onto me when I said and implied nothing about race. You just obviously assumed it was about race because she's black. That's on you. If you we're accusing me of racism, that's clearly what you should call yourself. I also like Kamala Harris in part because she's well-spoken. I think a president should be well spoken and articulate him/herself well. That's one of the reasons I don't like Trump, didn't like Bush, don't like Warren. Booker fumbles around a bit too much and almost speaks at a speed that's incoherent at times. Has nothing to do with race, you racist bastard.
transplantbillsfan Posted March 1, 2019 Author Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, snafu said: So, pay reparations and then what? Continue on our merry way? Saying that reparations might be a good idea is as near to admitting that most every attempt to deal with systemic racism has been a failure as anything I can think of. So, again, pay and then what? Did I or did I not say I would need to see someone's plan for reparations before saying whether I liked it or not? Wait, too many dumbasses here to ask rhetorical questions... The answer is yes, I did say that. I think people like you have an insanely extreme view of what these reparations would be, if they were ever implemented, and I kinda doubt our culture, where rich white guys still have all the power, will ever actually let it happen.
transplantbillsfan Posted March 1, 2019 Author Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, keepthefaith said: The left and most media wants us to believe that we are a society on a wreckless path of spiraling pollution when the exact opposite is true. The U.S. is the nation that has reduced carbon emissions the most in recent years. Rarely is this reported. https://www.forbes.com/sites/simonlack/2018/08/23/guess-whos-most-effective-at-combating-global-warming/#6b9064e25cdb All of the car companies are investing hugely to develop electric cars and fuel economy regulations are requiring more fuel efficient vehicles. Power plants are continually becoming cleaner and solar power sources are proliferating as that technology becomes more cost effective. We are already on the path to cleaner water, air and lower CO2 emissions and have been for decades and it's happening without an overly burdensome impact on taxation and energy cost. Why not stay the course? The Green New Deal is a political pipe dream not supported by any reasonable math. Republican pols though are not able or willing thus far to articulate the facts to the public or to offer a reasonable approach that continues the progress. Democrat pols are not interested in the facts and simply seek to demagogue and capitalize on an uninformed public with a plan that is ridiculous and has zero chance of being enacted. US leads the world in reducing carbon emissions over the last decade... Hmmmmm.... who was our President been for most of the last decade???? Despite all these regulations Trump is lifting on things like gas mileage, most car companies are sticking with trends of improving gas mileage because they understand whatever regulations Trump lifts are likely to be brought back... and they already started the process, so why reverse course at this point? Yikes, this place is horrible... really brings out the worst in people. Edited March 1, 2019 by transplantbillsfan
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