Calling it now: Zay Jones will not be on the week 1 roster.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Alpha - I didn't watch the video, so I don't know.  But I DID watch the video that was up a few weeks ago - something like 8 minutes of Bills dropsfrom 2018, and I was amazed at how many of them were Zay's.  My recollection was that he had been better, but he had a lot of balls that were easy catches that he dropped, and he had several more that were reasonable NFL catches that he dropped.   

 

He has to get better, or he's toast.   And I know you're saying this (you've told us about 100 times) but the more I think about this the more I think he actually could get cut.  

 

Zay is on the film 8 times. 5 of them are drops on him. Two of them are inaccurate throws behind him on Allen and one is a really good play by the DB to knock the ball out. 

 

But there is no way around it Zay Jones didn't catch enough balls again in 2018. And I repeat what I have said elsewhere today about the way people are looking at the makeup of the roster. Your backups have to play teams - especially at receiver and defensive back. John Brown, Cole Beasley and Robert Foster are likely ahead of Zay on the depth chart. They are not special teamers. Andre Roberts will be on the roster as a 6th receiver and return specialist. But that means when it comes to your 4th and 5th receiver someone is gonna have to go out there and play on coverage units. 

 

Zay has played 6 STs snaps in 2 years - all of which (stop the laughing at the back) on the "hands team" attempting to field onside kicks. If an Isaiah McKenzie or a Duke Williams or a David Sills can show themselves as a contributor on Special Teams Zay Jones is in trouble. 

[JohninMinn.]

Recievers are notorious for being late bloomers. I predict Zay will be all pro this year.

Edited May 2, 2019 by JohninMinn.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

1. Week 15 - Bills defeat Lions:  14-13:  Zay 1 rec on 6 targets, 11 yards
   1. This might have been his worst game in his career, definitely of the season.  Was DOMINATED by Slay...about as bad as I have seen a WR get owned.  

 

He wasn't the only our receivers to get owned that day... Darius Slay is elite and almost totally unheralded he is an absolutely outstanding player. Him vs Zay Jones is like a lion vs a caterpillar.

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Zay is on the film 8 times. 5 of them are drops on him. Two of them are inaccurate throws behind him on Allen and one is a really good play by the DB to knock the ball out. 

 

But there is no way around it Zay Jones didn't catch enough balls again in 2018. And I repeat what I have said elsewhere today about the way people are looking at the makeup of the roster. Your backups have to play teams - especially at receiver and defensive back. John Brown, Cole Beasley and Robert Foster are likely ahead of Zay on the depth chart. They are not special teamers. Andre Roberts will be on the roster as a 6th receiver and return specialist. But that means when it comes to your 4th and 5th receiver someone is gonna have to go out there and play on coverage units. 

 

Zay has played 6 STs snaps in 2 years - all of which (stop the laughing at the back) on the "hands team" attempting to field onside kicks. If an Isaiah McKenzie or a Duke Williams or a David Sills can show themselves as a contributor on Special Teams Zay Jones is in trouble. 

 

My argument on those behind him throws, he still got his hands on it.  Good WR's can make those plays, Zay does not make them very often.  I want WR's who have a bigger catch radius than right between the numbers, which Zay is also on the film dropping too actually.  

 

Im not unrealistic where I expect a WR to make every tough catch, but I want one where the odds are better than near 0.  And thats a fantastic point Gunner and great post about "teams" and how the depth chart will start shaping up behind your main guys.  

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He wasn't the only our receivers to get owned that day... Darius Slay is elite and almost totally unheralded he is an absolutely outstanding player. Him vs Zay Jones is like a lion vs a caterpillar.

 

Well when our 2nd round draft pick is that grossly outmatched by good corners, and Zay isnt even the best corner in the league (albeit he is a great corner), then thats not a good sign.  

 

I will add Robert Foster had 4 rec for 108 yards and a TD in that same game.  So he wasn't getting owned.  

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

My argument on those behind him throws, he still got his hands on it.  Good WR's can make those plays, Zay does not make them very often.  I want WR's who have a bigger catch radius than right between the numbers, which Zay is also on the film dropping too actually.  

 

Im not unrealistic where I expect a WR to make every tough catch, but I want one where the odds are better than near 0.  And thats a fantastic point Gunner and great post about "teams" and how the depth chart will start shaping up behind your main guys.  

 

I think both of those were bad throws to be honest. He had already run past them both not sure they are on him at all. The other are all catches he has to make though. 

 

And it will come down to teams. Maybe Zay comes in and has dedicated himself to that discipline to keep his spot on the roster maybe one of those behind him does it. If I was one of those backup receivers on the Bills right now I would ring Steve Tasker and I would pick his brain and spend every waking moment between now and camp working on my craft as a special teamer. Because that is how I would think I am making a football team. 

[GunnerBill]

26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Well when our 2nd round draft pick is that grossly outmatched by good corners, and Zay isnt even the best corner in the league (albeit he is a great corner), then thats not a good sign.  

 

I will add Robert Foster had 4 rec for 108 yards and a TD in that same game.  So he wasn't getting owned.  

 

Foster wasn't being covered by Slay for the most part. Slay was awesome that game. And Slay is close to the best in the league. I think he is at worst the 4th best corner in the NFL. No hype, no flash, not on a fashionable team... but just does his job exceptionally well week in week out year in year out. Love him. Zay was embarrassingly outclassed by him - I agree. But Slay is freaking awesome. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Foster wasn't being covered by Slay for the most part. Slay was awesome that game. And Slay is close to the best in the league. I think he is at worst the 4th best corner in the NFL. No hype, no flash, not on a fashionable team... but just does his job exceptionally well week in week out year in year out. Love him. Zay was embarrassingly outclassed by him - I agree. But Slay is freaking awesome. 

 

Oh yeah, I totally agree on Slay, he is without a doubt top 5 and all business.  But you want your starting WR to at least challenge a guy like Slay...but like we both said, Zay got Slayed  

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Oh yeah, I totally agree on Slay, he is without a doubt top 5 and all business.  But you want your starting WR to at least challenge a guy like Slay...but like we both said, Zay got Slayed  

 

Yes. Mismatch of epic proportions. 

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

Maybe Moulds didn't have enough targets because he wasn't earning it on the field his first two years? I know you and other people don't wanna believe that it takes certain players a little extra time to grasp the NFL game but that's what happened to Moulds. Reed and Early were still very productive at that point in their careers. Reed's level of play didn't sink so much from 1996 which was Mould's rookie season until he broke out in 1998. One could even argue with the amount of double coverages that Reed faced in Moulds first two years that Moulds should have feasted on secondaries but he didn't. He broke out in 1998 with the exact same receiving core he had his two prior years. Yes, Moulds had poor QB play his second year but it still didn't affect Andre Reed any. Zay has shown flashes or glimpses of being a more than capable NFL receiver. Sure he's had some drops but he had big progress from year 1 to year 2 and year 1 he had Tyrod who barely threw and had 150 yards a game. Zay should excel this year being in the system for 3 years and having more weapons around him

 

I think you are missing MrEps point.  Moulds didnt break out because he wasn't on the field, getting the reps, getting the targets.  Zay on the other hand has been a starter for 2 years with 176 targets.  Its NOT the same story.  

[JohnC]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I can think of 4 drops off the top of my head. I don't trust any drop stats. I don't remember what game it was but there was some game with Tyrod at QB where the official stat had it at 2 drops and I could distinctly point 4 drops in that game. I don't know what the official drop stat counts, but it's wrong.

 

Zay runs decent routes. He can get open in the short and intermediate routes on probably an average percentage of plays. He isn't complete trash. But he doesn't separate enough to be a full time starting receiver, and when he doesn't separate he literally has a 0% catch rate in contested situations. I'm not pulling that stat from anywhere, but I cant remember a single contested catch. The defender always wins.

 

I'm genuinely curious what do you think he adds to the offense? Brown and Foster add speed. Beasley adds short area quickness and separation. Duke Williams or Sills, it remains to be seen but they may add contested catch ability. What does Zay add? What does he do at an above average level? If he offers nothing but average to below average skill sets, why would you pencil him in as a starter?

It can't be disputed that Zay in his first two years has been a disappointment. He's been pedestrian at best---and that is a generous evaluation. But it is not unusual for receivers to take some time develop before the talent is exhibited. What we know about Zay is that he was super productive in college at a program that was not a top tier program. So it shouldn't be surprising that there would be an adjustment period for him. I'm hoping that his delayed development is similar to Pittsburg's Ju Ju Smith-Shuster who struggled in his first year or so and then became a very productive receiver to the point that the other loquacious receiver, Anthony Brown, complained that he wasn't be targeted enough. 

 

This upcoming season is going to be his make or break year. If he continues to play at his current non-descript level this year he will probably be dispatched. He is never going to be a #1 receiver or maybe not even a #2 receiver but that doesn't mean that he can't elevate his game and be a productive receiver for us.  

[EasternOHBillsFan]

When the Bills brought in Duke, signed Beasley and Brown, AND signed David Sills, that sealed Zay Jones's fate. 

 

Unless Zay got incredibly better as a special teams player, he's gone. Robert Foster has a better chance to make the final cut than Zay.

 

CAVEAT: Without season anding injuries, of course. *knock on all sorts of wood*

Edited May 3, 2019 by EasternOHBillsFan

[Buffalo03]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I think you are missing MrEps point.  Moulds didnt break out because he wasn't on the field, getting the reps, getting the targets.  Zay on the other hand has been a starter for 2 years with 176 targets.  Its NOT the same story.  

I understood his point completely. Moulds didn't see the field or that many targets because he was struggling to learn the game the first 2 years. It had nothing to do with how many receivers we had or that he was behind Reed. He broke out in 98 because it started to click for him. Moulds was very inconsistent his first 2 seasons

[Flip Johnson]

5 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

It isn't absurd.  Williams and Sills both had multiple NFL teams who wanted them.  Neither is likely to last on the practice squad, if they show anything in camp.  The question isn't whether either is better than Zay now.  The question is whether they look like they will be better in November or December, as they gain experience.   They will improve more in the upcoming six months than Zay will.  

 

If they look like they will be better than Zay over time, Zay is in trouble.  Someone will give Buffalo a sixth or seventh round pick for him.

  

 

This is so bizarre. "Multiple NFL teams wanted them" ... sure, as UDFAs. Sills got passed by the whole league. Williams is on a futures contract. I hope they're great, but they are not exactly putting Zay Jones on notice.

 

There are only a few guys in the NFL at age 23 or below that matched or bested Zay Jones' production last year.  He is an ascending player. Juju Smith-Schuster, Corey Davis, Chris Godwin, and DJ Moore were the only 4 WRs in the NFL at or above his level at his age. Do you think those guys are getting cut or traded? 

Edited May 3, 2019 by Flip Johnson

[MasterStrategist]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Really?  Care to provide proof?  Here let me help:  Josh Allen returned against the Jags, so there were 6 games down the stretch with Allen:

1. Week 12 - Bills defeat Jags 24-21:  Zay 0 receptions on 1 target,  for 0 yards and 0 TDs 
   1. Do I even need to say anything here, he did absolutely nothing while Foster had a big game.  
2. Week 13 - Bills lose to Miami:  17-21:  Zay 4 rec on 9 targets for 67 yards, 2 TDs.
   1. First productive game with Allen, still had a catch % of just 44% and failed to make some plays, including one that hurt our ability to win this game late.
3. Week 14 - Bills lose to Jets:  23-27:  Zay 3 rec on 9 targets, for 22 yards, 0 TDs
   1. A 33% catch rate and 22 yards of production...terrible game again
4. Week 15 - Bills defeat Lions:  14-13:  Zay 1 rec on 6 targets, 11 yards
   1. This might have been his worst game in his career, definitely of the season.  Was DOMINATED by Slay...about as bad as I have seen a WR get owned.  
5. Week 16 - Bills lose to pats:  12-24:  Zay 5 rec on 9 targets, 67 yards 1 TD
   1. Looks good to you stat sheet analysts, HOWEVER:  Down 3 scores with 1 minute left in the game, Zay had 4 rec on 8 targets for 34 yards.  He got a free walk in uncovered TD at the end to trick the stat sheet analysts, but he was terrible again this game and got half his yards and a TD on a free play at end of game when it didnt matter. 
6. Week 17 - Bills defeat Miami:  42-17:  Zay 6 rec on 9 targets, 93 yards, 2 TDs
   1. Finally, ONE relevant game with Josh Allen in week 17 against a bad Miami team who didnt even show up.  Not sure I am comfortable claiming he came on down the stretch and banking on his future success off this one game.    

So let me ask you again and others who have made this mythical claim of how Zay caught fire to end the season and found chemistry with Allen.  Where is this made up chemistry?  Where did he catch fire?  

 

In the final 6 games, he only had any real production in both Miami games.  And in the first Miami game, he failed to haul in a critical pass last that contributed significantly to this loss.  He only caught 44% of the passes thrown his way in those 6 games and was utter garbage in weeks 14, 15, and 16 while also failing to make a play we needed in our loss to Miami in week 13.  

 

Its nice to just say things, but its a whole other ball game to know if it really happened or not.  

I think you can toss the Jax and Det game out the window...both games Zay drew a top 5 corner in the NFL playing man to man.  If Foster was being covered by Ramsey or Slay, I bet those stat lines would be flipped.

 

I think we can all agree that many factors are at play , like above, so those direct comparisons are not always apples to apples.

 

Now that said, Zay isnt a #1 receiver, but I think he's been progressing.  And I see his potential as a #2.  It's been unfair to the team and him, that he was practically our #1 last season with only Foster as another weapon....to go along with a horrible line and rookie QB.  

 

Let's see what happens now that we have some other pieces to help dictate coverage away from Zay, the makings of a competent line, and year 2 for our QB.

 

At least we have some competition this year, that should only help everyone and let the best man win that WR4 spot.  I agree with GunnerBill that the WR5/6 will be guys who can also contribute to specials

[Toesy]

IMO Jones is an enigma-he has been productive considering he doesn't have speed, can't make difficult catches and has basically little to no YAC-his NFL highlight reel shows nothing. Somehow he was this superstar in college so yes maybe this year he puts it all together but he hasn't shown anything yet. If you compare his pass catching technique to Sills it is night and day- Sills learned how to catch a football. 

Edited May 3, 2019 by Toesy
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[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Flip Johnson said:

 

There are only a few guys in the NFL at age 23 or below that matched or bested Zay Jones' production last year.  He is an ascending player. Juju Smith-Schuster, Corey Davis, Chris Godwin, and DJ Moore were the only 4 WRs in the NFL at or above his level at his age. Do you think those guys are getting cut or traded? 

 

Let's just interrogate this statement a bit. So I've broadened the comparison out and looked at every receiver taken in the 1st or 2nd rounds of the 2017 and 2018 NFL Drafts (plus Godwin who was a 3rd rounder but who you had already referenced).

 

2017 1sts

Corey Davis 2018: 891 yards, 4 Tds, 112 targets, 65 receptions - catch rate of 58%

Mike Williams 2018: 664 yards, 10 Tds, 66 targets, 43 receptions - catch rate of 65%

John Ross 2018: 210 yards, 7 Tds, 58 targets, 21 receptions - catch rate of 36%

 

2017 2nds/3rds

Zay Jones 2018: 652 yards, 7 Tds, 102 targets, 56 receptions - catch rate of 55%

Curtis Samuel 2018: 494 yards, 5 Tds, 65 targets, 39 receptions - catch rate of 60%

Juju 2018: 1426 yards, 7 Tds, 166 targets, 111 receptions - catch rate of 66%

Godwin 2018: 842 yards, 7 Tds, 95 targets, 59 receptions - catch rate of 62%

 

2018 1sts

DJ Moore 2018: 788 yards, 2 Tds, 82 targets, 55 receptions - catch rate of 67%

Calvin Ridley 2018, 821 yards, 10 Tds, 92 targets, 64 receptions - catch rate of 70%

 

2018 2nds

Courtland Sutton 704 yards, 4 Tds, 84 targets, 42 receptions - catch rate of 50%

Dante Pettis 2018: 467 yards, 5 Tds, 45 targets, 27 receptions - catch rate of 60%

Christian Kirk 2018: 590 yards, 3 Tds, 68 targets, 43 receptions - catch rate of 63%

Anthony Miller 2018: 423 yards, 7 Tds, 54 targets, 33 receptions - catch rate of 61%

James Washington 2018: 217 yards, 1 Tds, 38 targets, 16 receptions - catch rate of 42%

DJ Chalk 2018: 174 yards, 0 Tds, 32 targets, 14 receptions - catch rate of 44%

 

The first thing to say is obviously that comparing the 2018 guys rookie years to the 2017 guys sophomore years is a little unfair. Zay's rookie year he 316 yards, 2 touchdowns and a 36% catch rate so some of those 2018 guys can still take a step in year 2. But what this shows us is where Zay ranked in 2018 out of 15 young NFL receivers.

 

He was 8th in yards - exactly halfway;

He was joint 3rd (one of 5 guys tied with 7) in Tds;

He was 3rd in respect of targets;

He was 11th in catch %

 

What this tells us is that while his yards and touchdowns numbers are respectable they are, to an extent, a result of opportunity. Only Corey Davis who is arguably the #1 in Tennessee and Juju who is the #1A in a pass heavy offense in Pittsburgh saw more targets. Of the 2018 guys the only person with a less impressive overall stat line all things considered is John Ross and there absolutely HAS been talk in Cincy about cutting / trading him. My instinct remains that Zay probably makes this roster. But he is far from a lock at this stage. The Bills have improved their receiver corps by bringing in Brown and Beasley and the competition is going to be real. If Zay doesn't ball out in camp and pre-season and one of the "wildcard" guys does or one of them establishes themselves as a core STs player then Zay could still find himself the odd man out.

 

I keep saying it - the two things NFL people look for in receivers before they think about "is he a speed guy or a size guy or a slot guy" which us fans tend to obsess over are: can he separate and can he catch the ball. The reason Zay was drafted in the 2nd round was because in college he excelled in catching the ball. In the NFL so far he has struggled with it. And patience with him will not last forever.

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

10 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

I understood his point completely. Moulds didn't see the field or that many targets because he was struggling to learn the game the first 2 years. It had nothing to do with how many receivers we had or that he was behind Reed. He broke out in 98 because it started to click for him. Moulds was very inconsistent his first 2 seasons

 

Just to add, because I don't think the situation for Moulds and Jones are the same. While Moulds is a guy who made it, I feel like there are way more guys who struggled like Zay and washed out. The Troy Williamsons, Charles Rogers, Laquon Treadwells of the world. That is how I view Zay. In the case of a guy like Treadwell, he's only been targeted 91 times in his career. He is going to wash out without ever really getting an opportunity and playing behind better players. The caveat is that we don't know how these guys are performing on the practice field. Zay is playing by default and being targeted by default. I don't feel as if Zay has earned the reps, but that is just my own assumption and bias. I don't remember a lot of the details of why Moulds was bad the first couple of years, I was a 14 year old kid running around, but I don't think Zay is struggling to pick up the NFL game. But I also think, that if the Bills had better players the Zay's first two years, he would not have seen the field. He was given a ton of opportunities and he blew most of them. Maybe he was not ready to be on the field. I actually think he is a smart player, who understands zones and things of that nature. I don't think he is struggling to pick up the game or the offense. He is struggling to make plays, and that is why I question his talent. He is struggling with things like catching the ball, running fast, blocking, making plays on contested catches. He showed some skill in that regard in college, so I have a tiny glimmer of hope that he finds his game. I don't think Jones has been inconsistent his first two years, I think he has been downright awful. I don't know if it's an effort thing, a focus thing, a talent thing, or a little bit of all of that. And if it weren't for what he showed in college, I would have already cut him. My whole thing is , that there are now people on the roster who are hungry and can do things that he can't do. So I very much think that he is on notice. 

 

I think there is a pretty much zero percent chance we see a Moulds like break out because I just don't think Zay Jones is talented enough. He's had the opportunity to show his talent and he has shown very little. I thinks he's a basically David Nelson without the size and with a better prospect pedigree. I am not waiting to see Zay's game click, I am waiting to see his talent, and to me it appears that there isn't much there. There is a place on a roster for a guy like that, but the minute you get some better players, he is out. That's where I am at.  

[MasterStrategist]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Let's just interrogate this statement a bit. So I've broadened the comparison out and looked at every receiver taken in the 1st or 2nd rounds of the 2017 and 2018 NFL Drafts (plus Godwin who was a 3rd rounder but who you had already referenced).

 

2017 1sts

Corey Davis 2018: 891 yards, 4 Tds, 112 targets, 65 receptions - catch rate of 58%

Mike Williams 2018: 664 yards, 10 Tds, 66 targets, 43 receptions - catch rate of 65%

John Ross 2018: 210 yards, 7 Tds, 58 targets, 21 receptions - catch rate of 36%

 

2017 2nds/3rds

Zay Jones 2018: 652 yards, 7 Tds, 102 targets, 56 receptions - catch rate of 55%

Curtis Samuel 2018: 494 yards, 5 Tds, 65 targets, 39 receptions - catch rate of 60%

Juju 2018: 1426 yards, 7 Tds, 166 targets, 111 receptions - catch rate of 66%

Godwin 2018: 842 yards, 7 Tds, 95 targets, 59 receptions - catch rate of 62%

 

2018 1sts

DJ Moore 2018: 788 yards, 2 Tds, 82 targets, 55 receptions - catch rate of 67%

Calvin Ridley 2018, 821 yards, 10 Tds, 92 targets, 64 receptions - catch rate of 70%

 

2018 2nds

Courtland Sutton 704 yards, 4 Tds, 84 targets, 42 receptions - catch rate of 50%

Dante Pettis 2018: 467 yards, 5 Tds, 45 targets, 27 receptions - catch rate of 60%

Christian Kirk 2018: 590 yards, 3 Tds, 68 targets, 43 receptions - catch rate of 63%

Anthony Miller 2018: 423 yards, 7 Tds, 54 targets, 33 receptions - catch rate of 61%

James Washington 2018: 217 yards, 1 Tds, 38 targets, 16 receptions - catch rate of 42%

DJ Chalk 2018: 174 yards, 0 Tds, 32 targets, 14 receptions - catch rate of 44%

 

The first thing to say is obviously that comparing the 2018 guys rookie years to the 2017 guys sophomore years is a little unfair. Zay's rookie year he 316 yards, 2 touchdowns and a 36% catch rate so some of those 2018 guys can still take a step in year 2. But what this shows us is where Zay ranked in 2018 out of 15 young NFL receivers.

 

He was 8th in yards - exactly halfway;

He was joint 3rd (one of 5 guys tied with 7) in Tds;

He was 3rd in respect of targets;

He was 11th in catch %

 

What this tells us is that while his yards and touchdowns numbers are respectable they are, to an extent, a result of opportunity. Only Corey Davis who is arguably the #1 in Tennessee and Juju who is the #1A in a pass heavy offense in Pittsburgh saw more targets. Of the 2018 guys the only person with a less impressive overall stat line all things considered is John Ross and there absolutely HAS been talk in Cincy about cutting / trading him. My instinct remains that Zay probably makes this roster. But he is far from a lock at this stage. The Bills have improved their receiver corps by bringing in Brown and Beasley and the competition is going to be real. If Zay doesn't ball out in camp and pre-season and one of the "wildcard" guys does or one of them establishes themselves as a core STs player then Zay could still find himself the odd man out.

 

I keep saying it - the two things NFL people look for in receivers before they think about "is he a speed guy or a size guy or a slot guy" which us fans tend to obsess over are: can he separate and can he catch the ball. The reason Zay was drafted in the 2nd round was because in college he excelled in catching the ball. In the NFL so far he has struggled with it. And patience with him will not last forever.

 

 

Great assessment of the past two WR drafts, and overall summary.

 

Agree that separation and catching are two high level, very important qualities that evaluators look at.  Catch skills/quality is a trait that most fans can at least attempt to evaluate.  However, separation is really complex....(man vs zone defense, what routes and complementary WR routes are being ran, what depth/did the receiver get where he was supposed to be on time, what # read was he on the play, etc).

 

I'd say anyone short of the coaches, who tries to evaluate separation is not providing a thorough/accurate assessment.  

 

I agree, I think Zay has stiffer competition vs years past, and that he will ultimately make the roster.  Let the best man win!

 

Just my opinion, but saying that Zay will be traded or cut (not make the roster) is almost as outlandish as saying Dion Dawkins won't make this team.  All of the inconsistencies and improved positional competition exists there too...just saying? 

[NewEra]

Maybe he suffered from Dion Dawkins syndrome.  Aka: lack of completion.  I’m eager to see if he can step up his game now that he’s not competing against Andre Holmes for targets. 

 

I do believe that he makes the team but I wouldn’t it if we cut his ***

[Laughing Coffin]

15 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

When the Bills brought in Duke, signed Beasley and Brown, AND signed David Sills, that sealed Zay Jones's fate. 

 

Unless Zay got incredibly better as a special teams player, he's gone. Robert Foster has a better chance to make the final cut than Zay.

 

CAVEAT: Without season anding injuries, of course. *knock on all sorts of wood*

 

So when the Bills ignored the WR position for the entire draft, signed a CFL player AND picked up an UDFA, you think that sealed Zay's fate he doesn't make the roster????  You're right that it did seal Zay's fate though, but it's his fate of staying on the team. 

 

You can see from the draft war room video released yesterday that the Bills didn't even have WR listed as a position of need in the draft. 

 

2020 NFL Draft is loaded with top WR talent.  This will be a make or break year for Zay and his place on this roster for next season

Edited May 3, 2019 by Laughing Coffin