YoloinOhio Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 On 2/26/2019 at 9:47 PM, 4_kidd_4 said: Idk, but the sandwich I had at 716 last night might have been the worst food I’ve ever eaten at a restaurant. Expand Which one did you get
4_kidd_4 Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 On 2/26/2019 at 9:50 PM, YoloinOhio said: Which one did you get Expand The “716 Beef On Weck”. Flavorless pile of mush on a stale pretzel roll. The description sounded so good, it was a letdown. Service was brutal too. And I usually give a ton of leeway as the wife and I were both in the restaurant/service industry for a long time. 4
Big Turk Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 On 2/26/2019 at 7:46 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I know that I’ll take heat for this but I don’t believe that the Pegula’s know what they are doing on that end. I don’t know the people that were fired (but know a little about Popko). The Pegula’s can’t continously turn over their senior level executives!! That’s crazy. There are A LOT of pro franchises that have had their senior leadership in place for 10 to 15 or even 20 years. This one guy didn’t make it a month!! What ends up happening is you spend all of your time trying to get someone up to speed to fill a role that is above their current pay grade. Think about out how many senior level executives have been let go by the Pegula’s since they started with the Sabres? Black, Brandon, Darcy, Ruff, Bylsma, Popko, Rex, Whaley, Rossi, Muhleman, those 2 guys last month, the guy at Harbor Center and so on... I hope that this is a part of a bigger issue. If these people are tied to a problem it at least makes sense. If this is just turnover for turnover’s sake it is a problem. Expand Maybe they realize there are too many people and maybe they have thrown TOO much money at trying to fix it? Sometimes less can be more especially with these type of positions...too many people in charge leads to employees who have no idea who they should be really listening to... On 2/26/2019 at 9:47 PM, 4_kidd_4 said: Idk, but the sandwich I had at 716 last night might have been the worst food I’ve ever eaten at a restaurant. Expand Lmao...let me guess Raw chicken sandwich or you ordered something vegan and were served beef instead? 1
MJS Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) Lot's of people pretending that they know what they are talking about. Face it. We don't know why these individuals were fired. Jumping to conclusions and speculating is stupid. Perhaps they were great moves, perhaps they were foolish moves. We'll never know. And, BTW, winning and losing has nothing to do with these management positions. If the Sabres are winning does that mean their marketing director is effective? These are purely business moves and have nothing to do with the product on the FIELD. Edited February 26, 2019 by MJS 7
Heitz Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 (edited) Marketing Manager you say? Call me when that's upgraded to a Director or VP level... ? Edited February 26, 2019 by Heitz 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 For life of me, I can't figure out why anyone cares about this. 4
MJS Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 On 2/26/2019 at 10:09 PM, Joe in Winslow said: For life of me, I can't figure out why anyone cares about this. Expand Exactly. People looking for reasons to validate their opinion that the Pegulas are bad owners. 2
4_kidd_4 Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 On 2/26/2019 at 9:57 PM, matter2003 said: Lmao...let me guess Raw chicken sandwich or you ordered something vegan and were served beef instead? Expand Raw chicken might have been an improvement lol. 1
Kirby Jackson Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 On 2/26/2019 at 9:57 PM, matter2003 said: Maybe they realize there are too many people and maybe they have thrown TOO much money at trying to fix it? Sometimes less can be more especially with these type of positions...too many people in charge leads to employees who have no idea who they should be really listening to... Expand That shouldn’t be the case though. These leagues are pretty consistent in the positions that they have. They all work together and share ideas. You have a counterpart with every other team that you work fairly closely with. You shouldn’t have a lot of “fat” on your staff if you are paying attention. In general you should have someone at the C level, someone (or a couple) at the VP level (SVP, EVP), directors of the departments, managers, and staff. Not to be boring or too much of a tangent but this is what our group looked like: President SVP of ticket Sales and Service Director of Ticket Ops, Director of Group Sales, Director of Retention, Director of Ticket Sales (packages), Director of Analytics Manager of each of those groups 30 - 40 sales and service reps in the various departments. There were also a couple of analytics and ticket ops people at this level. That would be roughly 50 people in that department. 2
vorpma Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 On 2/26/2019 at 8:16 PM, nucci said: Marrone quit, hired Rex, fired Whaley, fired Rex...they inherited a decent football team and messed it up....looks a bit more promising today Expand What planet have you been living on - a decent football team? More like a perennial almost .500 team forever that never demonstrated the ability to make a serious playoff run; terrible scouting, drafting, coaching, and FO management from 2001 until 2017! On 2/26/2019 at 10:06 PM, MJS said: Lot's of people pretending that they know what they are talking about. Face it. We don't know why these individuals were fired. Jumping to conclusions and speculating is stupid. Perhaps they were great moves, perhaps they were foolish moves. We'll never know. And, BTW, winning and losing has nothing to do with these management positions. If the Sabres are winning does that mean their marketing director is effective? These are purely business moves and have nothing to do with the product on the FIELD. Expand "Lot's of people pretending that they know what they are talking about." You must be new to TBD; it's what we do - with pride! 1
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/26/2019 at 7:46 PM, Kirby Jackson said: I know that I’ll take heat for this but I don’t believe that the Pegula’s know what they are doing on that end. I don’t know the people that were fired (but know a little about Popko). The Pegula’s can’t continously turn over their senior level executives!! That’s crazy. There are A LOT of pro franchises that have had their senior leadership in place for 10 to 15 or even 20 years. This one guy didn’t make it a month!! What ends up happening is you spend all of your time trying to get someone up to speed to fill a role that is above their current pay grade. Think about out how many senior level executives have been let go by the Pegula’s since they started with the Sabres? Black, Brandon, Darcy, Ruff, Bylsma, Popko, Rex, Whaley, Rossi, Muhleman, those 2 guys last month, the guy at Harbor Center and so on... I hope that this is a part of a bigger issue. If these people are tied to a problem it at least makes sense. If this is just turnover for turnover’s sake it is a problem. Expand On 2/26/2019 at 7:52 PM, TheFunPolice said: My impression is that the Pegulas fire a lot of people because sports don't work like private industry and they are getting frustrated that investing resources doesn't lead to success in sports the same way it does in business Expand I'll give them somewhat of a pass as who knows what Russ Brandon had done with things over there. Now Kim has taken over and may have found things that just didn't look/feel/sound good to her 2
IgotBILLStopay Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 Last I heard Lauren Hall is still employed at PSE, no? So it cant be workplace affair related. 1
Kirby Jackson Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 12:12 AM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: I'll give them somewhat of a pass as who knows what Russ Brandon had done with things over there. Now Kim has taken over and may have found things that just didn't look/feel/sound good to her Expand Without being a contrarian I feel the opposite. I know a lot of the people that Russ had in charge and they were talented. He was talented. The Bills obviously has no choice but to fire RB but it wasn’t wise to clear out veteran sports business people like Popko. Those people know WAY more about the business than Terry & Kim Pegula. You should be embracing people like that to learn from, not firing them.
beerme1 Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 I feel like all of this may be related to the answers I gave in a survey about renovating the arena. Serves em right then. Thanks for listening Kim. 1
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 12:19 AM, Kirby Jackson said: Without being a contrarian I feel the opposite. I know a lot of the people that Russ had in charge and they were talented. He was talented. The Bills obviously has no choice but to fire RB but it wasn’t wise to clear out veteran sports business people like Popko. Those people know WAY more about the business than Terry & Kim Pegula. You should be embracing people like that to learn from, not firing them. Expand That's a valid point, but as the expression goes, "an apples doesn't fall far from the tree" What if these others while great smart people in the business also had some skeletons in the closet too and thta's why they were let go. Maybe not anything as bad a Russ, but not completely squeaky clean either. Maybe in Kim's inexperience, felt they could easily be replaced where as someone else would have put up with some small issues at least until thinks were going smooth.
formerlyofCtown Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) On 2/26/2019 at 7:35 PM, oldmanfan said: Just read Terry and Kim fired three execs including the COO and the marketing director. Any clue what's going on with that? Wonder if it's more sexual misconduct stuff. Expand They were overheard asking Robert Kraft who his massage theropist is and where he gets his nails done.? Edited February 27, 2019 by formerlyofCtown
Helpmenow Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 Russ Brandon hired them at his new company.
Kirby Jackson Posted February 27, 2019 Posted February 27, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 2:04 AM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: That's a valid point, but as the expression goes, "an apples doesn't fall far from the tree" What if these others while great smart people in the business also had some skeletons in the closet too and thta's why they were let go. Maybe not anything as bad a Russ, but not completely squeaky clean either. Maybe in Kim's inexperience, felt they could easily be replaced where as someone else would have put up with some small issues at least until thinks were going smooth. Expand If there are skeletons I am all for clearing them out. I’m actually hoping that there is more to the story than “we wanted change.” It would make me feel more comfortable. I want the Bills and Sabres to have superior management.
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