HappyDays Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 I'm more concerned about Metcalf's medical history than his college production. An athlete like that will produce in an NFL offense but if he can't stay on the field that's a big risk in the top 10. This draft will be crazy. Last year I had at least some idea of what the Bills and other teams would do, this year feels like a total wildcard at every pick. 2
Tsaikotic Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: They all came against Western Albany AI because Ole Miss was too chicken s—t to schedule Cal-Poly Pomona. I like this guy...he really seems to care...about what I have no idea
BuffAlone Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) Metcalf is a physically gifted freak. That alone doesn't put him in the Bills' plans at #9. A trade down, maybe. Based on Beane's comments, he doesn't believe in the protypical "#1" receiver in today's NFL. Its all about scheme and matchups. Although he *may be worthy at #9, I'm not sold on his game to translate into that high of a pick for the Bills and the team they are trying to build. I also don't believe we will be going o-line at #9 either, as Beane has stated he does not think there is one he believes to be elite. Top ten pick has to be elite, or potentially elite for him to make that selection. Folks, face it....its gonna be one of Oliver, Josh Allen, Quinnen Williams, Christian Wilkens, or a Montez Sweat. It could very well be Byron Murphey or Greedy Williams as well. And lets not forget Devin White.Its the only value( possibly elite talent) worthy of #9 in the eyes of McBeane. Now, a trade down, and everything opens up for skill players/ O-line in the 1st round Edited March 2, 2019 by BuffAlone
TigerJ Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'm more concerned about Metcalf's medical history than his college production. An athlete like that will produce in an NFL offense but if he can't stay on the field that's a big risk in the top 10. This draft will be crazy. Last year I had at least some idea of what the Bills and other teams would do, this year feels like a total wildcard at every pick. I don't know about the neck injury. That could just be a freak injury, and not indicative of a tendency. However, I have heard some comments about him being so tight as an athlete, he might be prone to muscle strains and pulls and the like. His 1.6 % body fat index might not actually be healthy.
Chicken Boo Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 D.K. is going to the Bills at #9. You all are going to have to deal with that. This time last year 70%, or more, of this board wanted nothing to do with Josh Allen and were calling him a "day 2" guy. 1
BuffAlone Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, TigerJ said: I don't know about the neck injury. That could just be a freak injury, and not indicative of a tendency. However, I have heard some comments about him being so tight as an athlete, he might be prone to muscle strains and pulls and the like. His 1.6 % body fat index might not actually be healthy. Yup. Prone to Hamstring strains and cramps, especially in a cold weather town
Aussie Joe Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Metcalf is a physically gifted freak. That alone doesn't put him in the Bills' plans at #9. A trade down, maybe. Based on Beane's comments, he doesn't believe in the protypical "#1" receiver in today's NFL. Its all about scheme and matchups. Although he *may be worthy at #9, I'm not sold on his game to translate into that high of a pick for the Bills and the team they are trying to build. I also don't believe we will be going o-line at #9 either, as Beane has stated he does not think there is one he believes to be elite. Top ten pick has to be elite, or potentially elite for him to make that selection. Folks, face it....its gonna be one of Oliver, Josh Allen, Quinnen Williams, Christian Wilkens, or a Montez Sweat. Its the only value( possibly elite talent) worthy of #9 in the eyes of McBeane. Now, a trade down, and everything opens up for skill players/ O-line in the 1st round Its all hypothetical at this point, but I’m not sure that we should be treating every word Beane says at the combine as gospel. The only draft that we have seen from him so far Beane has traded UP... Allen is understandable of course, but I find it interesting that with a lot of holes and few resources to fill them, he spent a first and top of the third last year on a very young, physical freak with plenty of upside.. I personally don’t care if they pick Metcalf at 9 or not but it’s not going to surprise me if he is picked there.. Edited March 2, 2019 by Aussie Joe 1
FLFan Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 34 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Not really. I would need to convince myself that he's able to refine his route running and up his catch percentage if I'm talking him in the top 10. I think he's an incredible athlete, and certainly has the potential to be a WR1, but I have serious reservations regarding why he didn't produce at Ole Miss. Thanks for getting political! A smart poster might've noticed that I referenced his receptions PER GAME, which takes availability into account. Seriously shocked at people getting upset about his lack of production being questioned. You make a very good point about Metcalf. Production matters, and it is also something the Bills value highly per many interviews with McBean. He might be great, but maybe not. Personally, I prefer a focus on the lines at 9, although I suspect Metcalf now goes before then anyway.
BuffAlone Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Its all hypothetical at this point, but I’m not sure that we should be treating every word Beane says at the combine as gospel. The only draft that we have seen from him so far Beane has traded UP... Allen is undersyamdqble of course, but I find it interesting that with a lot of holes and few resources to fill them, he spent a first and top of the third last year on a very young, physical freak with plenty of upside.. I personally don’t care if they pick Metcalf at 9 or not but it’s not going to surprise me if he is picked there.. I agree. I just think we should get used to Beane being steadfast in his approach. He's stayed true to his word and philosophy thus far, no reason to doubt him now. That said, it IS poker playing time of year 1
Buffalo Junction Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: Its all hypothetical at this point, but I’m not sure that we should be treating every word Beane says at the combine as gospel. The only draft that we have seen from him so far Beane has traded UP... Allen is understandable of course, but I find it interesting that with a lot of holes and few resources to fill them, he spent a first and top of the third last year on a very young, physical freak with plenty of upside.. I personally don’t care if they pick Metcalf at 9 or not but it’s not going to surprise me if he is picked there.. It certainly seems as though Beane will gamble on physical freaks if he deems them to be “coachable”. We’ll see with Metcalf. 2
WideNine Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: D.K. is going to the Bills at #9. You all are going to have to deal with that. This time last year 70%, or more, of this board wanted nothing to do with Josh Allen and were calling him a "day 2" guy. Not saying the Bills will not pull the trigger, but I think the NE model of role players on offense has kind of hurt the super star #1 WR model. Belichick tells players "this game you are a decoy", this game you we will throw to you only after they show this defense, etc... Multiple players coming out of the org parrot the same thing so there must be some truth to it. It sounds like McDermott when describing his ideal WRs was buying into that concept, and it is hard to argue with the success of teams that can spread the ball around to players who are willing to just do their part - personal accolades and numbers aside. Does not mean they will not take an outstanding offensive skill player, but certainly any players who have a prima donna "me-first" reputation are very unlikely to end up as FA or draft prospects while Beane and McDermott are around. ....and yet again there was the Kelvin Benjamin thing - perhaps that was the butterfly that kicked them in the head.
formerlyofCtown Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 37 minutes ago, TigerJ said: Oliver was rumored to have played at under 280 lbs. That he showed up at the combine at 287 is good news for him. Now, if he tests well at that weight. . . Im hoping he turns out to be Aaron Donald if we draft him.
Alphadawg7 Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 33 minutes ago, K-9 said: We need to tap the breaks on Metcalf and the other athletic freaks on display a little bit. It’s a great first step in the process for him, but what he’s put on tape and how he does in his interviews is every bit as important. Especially when it comes to breaking it down on the whiteboard and showing how much he understands route concepts and understanding why defenses do certain things in certain situations, etc. No doubt his athleticism will be hard to ignore for some teams, but the league has gotten smarter over time, too. If he doesn’t understand the concepts involved, it won’t matter how fast he is or how high he can jump. Love his physical ability, but I’ll be convinced after seeing a season or two first. Unfortunately you draft now, not a season or two later. He will be in the top 10 1
HappyDays Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 46 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I think he's an incredible athlete, and certainly has the potential to be a WR1, but I have serious reservations regarding why he didn't produce at Ole Miss. Looks to me like it was more a lack of targets than lack of skill. 1 2
K-9 Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Unfortunately you draft now, not a season or two later. He will be in the top 10 My comments have nothing to do with where I think he’ll be drafted and everythIng to do with knowing there’s a lot more to the process left to go through. All these prospects are just checking boxes, nothing more at this point. As for wanting to wait a season or two, it’s because I have absolutely no clue to how well he plays the game of football.
Chicken Boo Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Looks to me like it was more a lack of targets than lack of skill. Yeah that's great deducing there, Brown. ? The answer is right there in the details.
HappyDays Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 Also a 3rd generation NFL player. Everything about Metcalf screams McBeane. If he makes it to 9 I think he's the pick. 4
WideNine Posted March 2, 2019 Posted March 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, K-9 said: My comments have nothing to do with where I think he’ll be drafted and everythIng to do with knowing there’s a lot more to the process left to go through. All these prospects are just checking boxes, nothing more at this point. As for wanting to wait a season or two, it’s because I have absolutely no clue to how well he plays the game of football. No need to sweat it K9...the ONLY certain thing is that we all will certainly be wrong on more than a few prospects we were high on. 1
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