plenzmd1 Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) Holy moly, Pats are getting 4 picks , two in the 3rd. How can that be? Will look for link. Edited February 22, 2019 by plenzmd1
ClemsonBills Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 Eventually, when done right, this will be us. 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) I With the tarnished Shield I hope these go away. Easy *come* easy go Edited February 22, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) You can’t keep rewarding the top teams and expect parity Edited February 22, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan 3 1
Jobot Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: You can’t keep rewarding the top teams and expect parity It's not like these picks are randomly given out... There's a reason that the Pats are the best during the season, and it's because they're also the best during the offseason. 3 1 1
RPbillsfan Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 With the Redskins getting a 3rd, 5th and 7th round compensatory picks it makes it a greater possibility that they may Ent to move up and draft their QB of the future. If you were the Bills GM, would you move from 9 to 14 and take both 3rd round picks? 5
Rc2catch Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 I must really not get how this works lol. Dont you have to lose players in free agency for this and not sign many? I have never fully understood the formula, not sure anyone really does. Multiple 3’s seems quite high though for both them and LA. Doesn’t seem like they lost or didn’t resign many players
The Tomcat Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 Compensatory not Conditional. 0 for Bills...no surprise really.
Koko78 Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I must really not get how this works lol. Dont you have to lose players in free agency for this and not sign many? I have never fully understood the formula, not sure anyone really does. Multiple 3’s seems quite high though for both them and LA. Doesn’t seem like they lost or didn’t resign many players It's some ridiculous/complex/secret calculation that takes into account the 'value' of free agents you lose. So if the Cheatriots had a net FA loss a two good players, they get two 3rd round comp picks based upon the calculated 'value' of those players who went elsewhere.
Success Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 They can have 20 extra picks - the reason they win is BB and Brady. Their drafting is unspectacular overall. They get coachable players but few stars. So many pieces on that team are interchangeable. - BB the coach makes BB the GM look a lot better. 2
Turk71 Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) Cmon man, all the TBD experts know that compensatory picks are a worthless joke and anyone concerned with them is an idiot. Pay attention. 2 hours ago, ClemsonBills said: Eventually, when done right, this will be us. Edited February 22, 2019 by Turk71
sven233 Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) On a side note, Patriots owner Robert Kraft was so happy with this news that he was heard screaming "Hookers for everybody" at the Pats* facility! Edited February 22, 2019 by sven233 6 1
RussellDopeland Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 So the formula, I take it, goes something like this: If the Patriots lose 2 free agents, and sign 1, they receive 2 compensatory picks. If the Patriots lose 1 free agent, and sign 5, the receive 4 compensatory picks. Conversely, if Buffalo loses 10 free agents, and signs 1, they receive a 6th round compensatory pick. If Buffalo loses 15 free agents, and signs none, they receive 0 picks as compensation. It all makes sense... 4 1 3
gonzo1105 Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I must really not get how this works lol. Dont you have to lose players in free agency for this and not sign many? I have never fully understood the formula, not sure anyone really does. Multiple 3’s seems quite high though for both them and LA. Doesn’t seem like they lost or didn’t resign many players Its very easy actually. The hidden magic formula is really Players gained vs players Lost. If you have more players lost then gained you qualify for a compensatory pick. Then they take the Average Annual Salary Of the players you gained and the players you lost and match them as equally as possible. To have a player qualify thy need to meet a certain salary threshold as well. Players signed that were cut from other teams do not count in the players gained column For Example: Buffalo lost: Seantrel Henderson Preston Brown E.J Gaines Joe Webb Buffalo gained: Murphy Lotelelei Stanford McCarron Bodine Bush 6 gained 4 lost = no picks Now the Patriots were a question Patriots lost: Nate Solder Malcolm Butler Danny Amendola Dion Lewis Joe Bademosi Cameron Fleming Patriots Gained: Adrian Clayborn Jeremy Hill Patriots lost 6 Gained 2= 4 possible comp picks Solder AAV is over 15 Butler AAV is over 12 Amendola is almost 6 Lewis almost 5 Bademost 3.1 Fleming 2.5 Clayborn is 5 AAV Hill was 1.3 So now match em up. Lewis and Clayborn cancel each other and Hill and Fleming cancel each other This leaves Solder= 3rd round, Butler 3rd round, Amendola 6th round, Bademosi 7th round based on their AAV 10 1 2 11
co_springs_billsfan Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 I've now come back to earth after the Kraft news... this is very deflating
jwhit34 Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 Here is a good web site that steps through the methodology, at least per what people can ascertain since the league has never disclosed their formula: https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/ Hopefully the actual data helps dispels some of the conspiracy theories. 1
Jpsredemption Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 Bills continuously lose out on this somehow even when they aren’t trying to win by signing trash free agents.
QCity Posted February 22, 2019 Posted February 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, Koko78 said: It's some ridiculous/complex/secret calculation that takes into account the 'value' of free agents you lose. There's nothing ridiculous or complex about it. The value it's based on is the amount that player signs for. I've been discussing this on this forum for a decade, but it typically draws blank stares and for some reason is equated to particle physics. This is not an accident. They aren't participating in some behind-the-scenes shenanigans. These are calculated moves that takes years of foresight to pull off correctly. Ozzie Newsome is the man who wrote the book on gaming the comp pick system, and the Pats front office has shown over the years that it's taking it to the next level. Bills' past GM's such as Nix, Whaley, Brandon, Levy, etc, etc, had no clue what was going on in regards to this and were incapable of seeing that far into the future to pull it off. So it sort of makes sense that a large portion of our fan base doesn't understand what's happening here. 1
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