Koko78 Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 11 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: The Philly DA was very explicit in what he said. You are still pretending to struggle with his quote. The Palm Beach DA has not (nor has ANYONE) claimed that the Johns have "no standing " to challenge the video evidence against them. Not even you have claimed this, as you know. Oh, so not only do you know what the DA is thinking, but you've also read all of the submissions to the Court?
Mr. WEO Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Koko78 said: Oh, so not only do you know what the DA is thinking, but you've also read all of the submissions to the Court? Prove me wrong.
Koko78 Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Prove me wrong. Interesting that you're spending so much time crying and complaining about a general overview of 4th Amendment law. It's rather funny, actually. Do you actually pay attention to anything that doesn't fit your obviously-preconceived conclusion?
Mr. WEO Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 Just now, Koko78 said: Interesting that you're spending so much time crying and complaining about a general overview of 4th Amendment law. It's rather funny, actually. Do you actually pay attention to anything that doesn't fit your obviously-preconceived conclusion? I'm doing neither. I'm simply asking you to show us where the DA or anyone else has stated that these defendants cannot challenge the only evidence against them because they have "no standing" to do so.
Koko78 Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: I'm doing neither. I'm simply asking you to show us where the DA or anyone else has stated that these defendants cannot challenge the only evidence against them because they have "no standing" to do so. 1.) Why would you assume that's the "only evidence"? Because someone didn't put more in an article? Good God man, do you seriously think that the State's Attorney's Office has actually played their entire hand in the press? 2.) If you can't understand basic legal concepts such as "standing" (which I have explained what, twice now?), then I can't help you. You're a trip and a half. ? 1
Mr. WEO Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Koko78 said: 1.) Why would you assume that's the "only evidence"? Because someone didn't put more in an article? Good God man, do you seriously think that the State's Attorney's Office has actually played their entire hand in the press? 2.) If you can't understand basic legal concepts such as "standing" (which I have explained what, twice now?), then I can't help you. You're a trip and a half. ? Well, the cops also have the statements of the ladies who work there. Then they would have the cops' testimony of what they saw on the video. But if the johns have no standing to challenge the tape, why are their lawyers...challenging the admissibility of the tape (that it was not properly obtained)? Did they skip the class where the 4th Amendment was discussed in law school? All of them? Kraft's lawyers submitted court documents specifically challenging the warrant for the video and the videotaping itself. Why? Why have many other lawyers quoted in many articles for many weeks commented on the questionable admissibility of the video if the defendants can't challenge it anyway? Why are so many of these people talking about the tape if it is a moot point? As for the question of whether the DA "has actually played his entire hand in the press"....is that a serious question? This Office could not wait to rush to the media with a grandstanding press conference ominously detailing a massive "human trafficking" ring that they had just uncovered, and of which this investigation revealed only "the tip of the iceberg" of such evil afoot. Of course we all know that that was all a lie. BS from day one. This was just a high profile prostitution bust. And then when Kraft and the other johns refused the DA's strange "no plea" the DA started floating out there that he was going to try the case in the media by releasing the tape to the public. You're joking with this right?
KD in CA Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 59 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: As for the question of whether the DA "has actually played his entire hand in the press"....is that a serious question? This Office could not wait to rush to the media with a grandstanding press conference ominously detailing a massive "human trafficking" ring that they had just uncovered, and of which this investigation revealed only "the tip of the iceberg" of such evil afoot. Of course we all know that that was all a lie. BS from day one. This was just a high profile prostitution bust. Yup. As much fun as this was for Pats* haters, this has been nothing more than grandstanding at Kraft's expense. I'm sure cops, FBI and DAs would be shocked -- SHOCKED!! -- to discover guys getting handjobs at every local Asian Dawn spa across the country. It's so open in NYC there was a webpage with descriptions and rankings of all the big rub 'n tug joints.
Mr. WEO Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Yup. As much fun as this was for Pats* haters, this has been nothing more than grandstanding at Kraft's expense. I'm sure cops, FBI and DAs would be shocked -- SHOCKED!! -- to discover guys getting handjobs at every local Asian Dawn spa across the country. It's so open in NYC there was a webpage with descriptions and rankings of all the big rub 'n tug joints. It would have been so much easier for cops to bust this rub and tug joint by just going in undercover. If their goal was to shut it down (and get a peak inside to look for the human smugglers) it would have been very easy long ago. But that's not what their goal was...
KD in CA Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: It would have been so much easier for cops to bust this rub and tug joint by just going in undercover. If their goal was to shut it down (and get a peak inside to look for the human smugglers) it would have been very easy long ago. But that's not what their goal was... And the 'fight human trafficking by publicly shaming johns' strategy is about as effective as 'stop drug dealers by putting users in jail'. I wonder how many future sex workers were in that migrant caravan so many where desperate to see let into the US.
Chicken Boo Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: Kraft’s attorney, William Burck, has been fighting in court to keep the videos out of public view, arguing last week that “it’s basically pornography.” had family in port salerno. uncle was a commercial fisherman. But I thought he plead "not guilty". ? Edited April 18, 2019 by Chicken Boo 1
Toesy Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 Kraft should blame the whole thing on Vlad Putin-the guy is responsible for everything else-he might as well be blamed for this rub and tug.
Mr. WEO Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 2 hours ago, KD in CA said: And the 'fight human trafficking by publicly shaming johns' strategy is about as effective as 'stop drug dealers by putting users in jail'. I wonder how many future sex workers were in that migrant caravan so many where desperate to see let into the US. Or "just say No"...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 Reality check everyone. Kraft won't get punished. All charges will be dropped and the video will be destroyed by request of the judge. Rich people can do whatever they want. Whenever they want as long as their checkbook is within reach.
Doc Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: "Lame excuses"? you've already conceded this is exactly what any defense lawyer would do. The Philly DA was very explicit in what he said. You are still pretending to struggle with his quote. The Palm Beach DA has not (nor has ANYONE) claimed that the Johns have "no standing " to challenge the video evidence against them. Not even you have claimed this, as you know. The DA wants to win....yet he has already offered to make the charges "disappear"... If it's ruled inadmissible, it ain't be released to the public. Yeah they're lame excuses. Just because every defense lawyer uses them doesn't make them less so. Again trying to get this thrown-out on a technicality when the technicality wasn't the reason they broke the law is no different than all the whining you've done over the years about athletes getting away with breaking the law. No the Philly DA wasn't explicit in what he said: he was very vague, obviously for the benefit of the cop who witnesses agreed started the fight and had Shady's friend in a headlock on the floor. As for standing, I haven't said anything about it but Koko's told you several times now. And you yourself said the plea deal was lame...why? That's right, because it made him admit that he would be found guilty in a trial AND the video would be released. That's a "win" in anyone's book and avoids wasting time and money. And the video can be released to the public even if ruled inadmissible in court. 17 hours ago, iinii said: Kraft can ride this pony as long as he wants. The DA will do anything and everything to get out from under this ton of bricks. it’s what they do when they are out gunned on a case that is as far as Kraft is concerned is a misdemeanor. The DA will be lucky to get a draw. True, Kraft can ride this pony and end up with a sore crotch (which means needing to find another rub and tug joint pronto!) And the DA has the video and someone ready to roll on Bobby, which is why he's not budging on offering a lesser plea deal. 6 hours ago, KD in CA said: Yup. As much fun as this was for Pats* haters, this has been nothing more than grandstanding at Kraft's expense. I'm sure cops, FBI and DAs would be shocked -- SHOCKED!! -- to discover guys getting handjobs at every local Asian Dawn spa across the country. It's so open in NYC there was a webpage with descriptions and rankings of all the big rub 'n tug joints. It's still against the law. How many people got busted for harmless weed offenses, and now weed is becoming legal all over the country? It's not an excuse. Edited April 18, 2019 by Doc
bbb Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Doc said: It's so open in NYC there was a webpage with descriptions and rankings of all the big rub 'n tug joints. Who is in the top ten this week?
Doc Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, bbb said: Who is in the top ten this week? I didn't write that, but I would guess probably a different ten than the previous week since they've probably been shut down. 1
KD in CA Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 40 minutes ago, Doc said: It's still against the law. How many people got busted for harmless weed offenses, and now weed is becoming legal all over the country? It's not an excuse. Yes it is, so fine him the appropriate sum and move on. Don't blow it up into a bigger thing than it is.
Doc Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 28 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Yes it is, so fine him the appropriate sum and move on. Don't blow it up into a bigger thing than it is. He broke the law and was offered a plea deal KD. He rejected it. The only one blowing it up into a bigger thing is Kraft. 1
Herc11 Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc said: He broke the law and was offered a plea deal KD. He rejected it. The only one blowing it up into a bigger thing is Kraft. Nevermind, just read back a page and you guys have covered my comment Edited April 18, 2019 by Herc11
Doc Posted April 18, 2019 Posted April 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Herc11 said: I'm sure that he chose the trial by jury because it gives his legal defense team an opportunity to try and make that tape go away. I think he's more worried about the tape getting released. The amount his legal defense team is getting for this misdemeanor is far and above what the fine would cost. I also think that he's only worried about the tape getting out. But since the DA isn't budging from releasing it, there's no reason for him to accept the plea deal and drag this out as long as he can. But he won't be able to do that forever. 1
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