PromoTheRobot Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 Kraft is requesting a jury of Patriots season ticket holders with the trial held at Patriot Place with the Hon. Tom Brady presiding.
Mr. WEO Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Doc said: I already answered it WEO. I was just jumping ahead to when you'd say "no, he didn't get charged because of who he is" to which I'd reply "well then, why did Bobby get charged, is it because...?" No, if anyone got off in that case, it was the crooked cop(s). And nowhere else would what Shady did have been called "assault" despite your wishes otherwise. Which again gets back to the heart of the matter. You haven't answered why the cops did not charge McCoy? (hint, it's not "who he is"). A guy stomping (along with others) another guy on the ground isn't assault? Come on doc, it's another simple question.....
Doc Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: You haven't answered why the cops did not charge McCoy? (hint, it's not "who he is"). A guy stomping (along with others) another guy on the ground isn't assault? Come on doc, it's another simple question..... "While it is clear a physical altercation took place and that several people were injured, there is insufficient credible evidence to determine which of the participants were the initial aggressor or whether some participants were acting in self defense or reasonable defense of another," [Philadelphia District Attorney Seth] Williams said. 1 1
Billschinatown Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, Doc said: "While it is clear a physical altercation took place and that several people were injured, there is insufficient credible evidence to determine which of the participants were the initial aggressor or whether some participants were acting in self defense or reasonable defense of another," [Philadelphia District Attorney Seth] Williams said. check mate.
Doc Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Billschinatown said: check mate. Doubtful. You see, we went over all of this 3 years ago when it happened. He knows why Shady did what he did and thus was never charged. But the thing is, he doesn't care. He doesn't like Shady so to him Shady assaulted (if Shady had shown that clip of himself and talked about how he beat up a cop, WEO would be the first one laughing at him) the cop unprovoked, he got off but not because of what the DA said, and that's that.
Mr. WEO Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 27 minutes ago, Doc said: "While it is clear a physical altercation took place and that several people were injured, there is insufficient credible evidence to determine which of the participants were the initial aggressor or whether some participants were acting in self defense or reasonable defense of another," [Philadelphia District Attorney Seth] Williams said. Ahhh. So since there was not sufficient evidence to prosecute, charges were not brought. So when a person is not charged, to you that means he committed no crime.. innocent, in other words?
Doc Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 47 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Ahhh. So since there was not sufficient evidence to prosecute, charges were not brought. Yup. The DA did a solid for the cop. 47 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: So when a person is not charged, to you that means he committed no crime.. innocent, in other words? Depends on the situation. The DA said that Shady provided reasonable defense of another.
Mr. WEO Posted March 31, 2019 Posted March 31, 2019 34 minutes ago, Doc said: Yup. The DA did a solid for the cop. Depends on the situation. The DA said that Shady provided reasonable defense of another. In your quote, that's not what he said. In "the situation" of McCoy, the quote you cite says there's "insufficient evidence" as to who was the initial aggressor "or whether" someone was coming to the defense of another. In other words, the DA doesn't know what in fact took place to the point of charging with intent to convict. I'll ask again, if a DA cannot determine if the facts support a charge and decides not to charge, to you that means the individual did not commit a crime? This is the only reason you have offered for your conclusion.
Doc Posted April 1, 2019 Posted April 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: In your quote, that's not what he said. In "the situation" of McCoy, the quote you cite says there's "insufficient evidence" as to who was the initial aggressor "or whether" someone was coming to the defense of another. In other words, the DA doesn't know what in fact took place to the point of charging with intent to convict. I'll ask again, if a DA cannot determine if the facts support a charge and decides not to charge, to you that means the individual did not commit a crime? This is the only reason you have offered for your conclusion. Again it depends on the case. In Shady's case, no he didn't commit a crime. So he wasn't charged. In Bobby's case, even you have admitted he broke the law...based on the evidence...for which he was charged. Whether he beats the rap in court, seeing as how he refused the plea deal, is another story.
Mr. WEO Posted April 1, 2019 Posted April 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc said: Again it depends on the case. In Shady's case, no he didn't commit a crime. So he wasn't charged. In Bobby's case, even you have admitted he broke the law...based on the evidence...for which he was charged. Whether he beats the rap in court, seeing as how he refused the plea deal, is another story. Again, your only assessment of whether McCoy committed a crime is that he wasn't charged with a crime. The DA didn't conclude he did not commit a crime, so why have you? Be specific. The DA in Kraft's case has offered a deal where he will also not charge him with a crime. So you would conclude that no crime was committed.
Warcodered Posted April 1, 2019 Posted April 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Again, your only assessment of whether McCoy committed a crime is that he wasn't charged with a crime. The DA didn't conclude he did not commit a crime, so why have you? Be specific. The DA in Kraft's case has offered a deal where he will also not charge him with a crime. So you would conclude that no crime was committed. Didn't that plea deal also involve him admitting he would of been convicted though?
Doc Posted April 1, 2019 Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Again, your only assessment of whether McCoy committed a crime is that he wasn't charged with a crime. The DA didn't conclude he did not commit a crime, so why have you? Be specific. The DA in Kraft's case has offered a deal where he will also not charge him with a crime. So you would conclude that no crime was committed. Eyewitnesses said the cop started the fight. The/a cop is not some Joe Shmoe that can be steamrolled by a celebrity and had eyewitnesses said the friend started the fight, at the minimum the friend would have been charged. Hence the DA's statement was obviously meant to cover for the cop and say that Shady's friend was defending himself and Shady was defending his friend, therefore no charges. I know you either truly believe he was guilty or are being disingenuous because you want him to be guilty and/or you have an agenda. Doesn't matter which. As for the plea deal, like warcoded said, he'd have to admit guilt, which is why he didn't take it. But why aren't you outraged that he didn't take it? Again if this were Shady, you'd be screaming for him to plead guilty to the highest charge possible. Oh yes, you are merely offering up his defense, just like you did with Shady. Oh, wait... Edited April 1, 2019 by Doc
Mr. WEO Posted April 1, 2019 Posted April 1, 2019 9 hours ago, Warcodered said: Didn't that plea deal also involve him admitting he would of been convicted though? It sure did---as opposed to doc's confusion below. 1 hour ago, Doc said: Eyewitnesses said the cop started the fight. The/a cop is not some Joe Shmoe that can be steamrolled by a celebrity and had eyewitnesses said the friend started the fight, at the minimum the friend would have been charged. Hence the DA's statement was obviously meant to cover for the cop and say that Shady's friend was defending himself and Shady was defending his friend, therefore no charges. I know you either truly believe he was guilty or are being disingenuous because you want him to be guilty and/or you have an agenda. Doesn't matter which. As for the plea deal, like warcoded said, he'd have to admit guilt, which is why he didn't take it. But why aren't you outraged that he didn't take it? Again if this were Shady, you'd be screaming for him to plead guilty to the highest charge possible. Oh yes, you are merely offering up his defense, just like you did with Shady. Oh, wait... The DA says he does not know who started the fight. Unless you have a statement from him saying otherwise, you have only that. But, jeez, I guess I dodn't consider the DA was "covering" for the cop! That would be news to the cop and the PBA... I think McCoy was guilty of jumping in on a beat down. That's assault. I think Kraft is guilty of soliciting for a handie. I don't know how to make that simpler for you. And no, that's not what warcoded said (your a poor confabulator as always). He accurately said that the johns would not admit guilt, but that thye would have been found guilty at court. Big difference. If McCoy had such a plea deal and he took it, I would laugh at what a moron he was for taking such a sucker's deal instead of calling the DA's bluff. Just like you would in Kraft's case, as you already have conceded.
row_33 Posted April 1, 2019 Posted April 1, 2019 if this helps not showing him about 85 times a game and keeping the camera on the field, I'm for it.
Doc Posted April 1, 2019 Posted April 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: It sure did---as opposed to doc's confusion below. The DA says he does not know who started the fight. Unless you have a statement from him saying otherwise, you have only that. But, jeez, I guess I dodn't consider the DA was "covering" for the cop! That would be news to the cop and the PBA... I think McCoy was guilty of jumping in on a beat down. That's assault. I think Kraft is guilty of soliciting for a handie. I don't know how to make that simpler for you. And no, that's not what warcoded said (your a poor confabulator as always). He accurately said that the johns would not admit guilt, but that thye would have been found guilty at court. Big difference. If McCoy had such a plea deal and he took it, I would laugh at what a moron he was for taking such a sucker's deal instead of calling the DA's bluff. Just like you would in Kraft's case, as you already have conceded. You can think what you want in Shady's case. It doesn't jibe with reality but hey, when has that ever stopped you? You are all alone in your belief and not even the cops believe it seeing as how they never even filed a civil suit. And you yourself said the plea deal was a joke. Why? That's right, because it forced him to admit guilt. See how easy that was?
iinii Posted April 1, 2019 Posted April 1, 2019 This is getting close to 70 pages! Excellent work folks
Doc Posted April 1, 2019 Posted April 1, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: if this helps not showing him about 85 times a game and keeping the camera on the field, I'm for it. No, they'll probably show him more, just to see if his true love is with him.
Mr. WEO Posted April 1, 2019 Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Doc said: You can think what you want in Shady's case. It doesn't jibe with reality but hey, when has that ever stopped you? You are all alone in your belief and not even the cops believe it seeing as how they never even filed a civil suit. And you yourself said the plea deal was a joke. Why? That's right, because it forced him to admit guilt. See how easy that was? It didn't. What it did was require him and the others to give the DA a phony "W" when it is clear that even the DA feels the weakness of his months long investigation. Well, thank you for allowing me to think what I like and not fall in lock-step with your Bills Pro Shop merchandize orthodoxy. I was hardly the only poster who figured McCoy for kicking a guy on his back---or that he's a knucklehead. You can't conceive of the possibility that this guy is, as is Kraft, a total POS. You are in a small group of devotees who feel that McCoy has never done anything he has been accused by myriad individuals---instead he is just extremely unlucky, even by NFL bad boy player standards. Persecuted even... Edited April 1, 2019 by Mr. WEO
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