Boatdrinks Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 8 hours ago, H2o said: And if that is the case then good for him and the people he helps Yeah, like his donations to scumbags that kill cops ? The guy is a goddamn disgrace of a human . 1
Gugny Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Yeah, like his donations to scumbags that kill cops ? The guy is a goddamn disgrace of a human . Please provide a link that shows he contributed to any people who kill, or have killed, police officers. If you can't, then shut up. 1 1
Gugny Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Agreed. In the end, all I care about is never seeing this scumbag play in the NFL again. Whatever they gave him is a pittance to stay away. Don’t know who the f*** that is and I don’t care. Read up on your hero. I’m not going to do it for you. I can guarantee you that I'm more educated on this topic than you are. You made a claim that Colin Kaepernick made donations to people/organizations who kill police officers (you referred to them as "cops"). I'm simply asking you to provide proof that he's ever done so. I don't think that's unfair, seeing how you brought it up. So. Let's see that proof.
Boatdrinks Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 Just now, Gugny said: I can guarantee you that I'm more educated on this topic than you are. You made a claim that Colin Kaepernick made donations to people/organizations who kill police officers (you referred to them as "cops"). I'm simply asking you to provide proof that he's ever done so. I don't think that's unfair, seeing how you brought it up. So. Let's see that proof. Cool . I don’t care what you think you know about the scumbag. I also don’t care what you consider to be fair or not. Check into it, it’s not that hard to find it. I’m not trying to convince you it’s apparent that you don’t want to know. I’m glad he won’t be playing in the league, and he can go create a utopian police hating state in Cuba or something.
Gugny Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Cool . I don’t care what you think you know about the scumbag. I also don’t care what you consider to be fair or not. Check into it, it’s not that hard to find it. I’m not trying to convince you it’s apparent that you don’t want to know. I’m glad he won’t be playing in the league, and he can go create a utopian police hating state in Cuba or something. Do you even know what he said with regard to Cuba? I don't think you do. Again ... I ask you to please provide me with a link, or some sort of proof that shows that Colin Kaepernick made donations to people/organizations who kill police officers. If you can't, then that means you're spreading false information and smearing someone. I'm pretty sure the only police officers Colin Kaepernick has spoken against are the dirty ones who've murdered people in cold blood (i.e. - shot unarmed people in the back as they were running away). But, again .... if you can show me something that states otherwise, I'd be happy to read it. Educate yourself. You're making yourself look pretty simple. 1
mannc Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Simple answer: Discrimination in any workplace is illegal. And colluding to keep him out of the league for his political beliefs is a form of discrimination. No, that’s not correct. 1
buffalonian Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 10 hours ago, B-Man said: After all the hoopla...Kaepernick took the money, and a confidentiality agreement. It was NEVER about "Principle & Conviction". It was ALWAYS about the Benjamins. There is a distinction between why CK took a knee and the collusion lawsuit against the NFL. They are two different things. He took a knee to bring attention to racial injustices. That act relates to what you refer to as his “principal and conviction.” The lawsuit CK filed against the NFL had nothing to do with his principals as they relate to racial justice issues, rather it involved seeking compensation for the concerted effort by the NFL to prevent him from playing football and the damages he incurred as a result. By agreeing to settle, CK is merely accepting a resolution to his having been blocked from playing football. It says nothing about the underlying racial justice issues or CK’s commitment to those issues. As such, settling with the NFL does not make him a “sell out” as to those issues. 3 2 1
papazoid Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 14 hours ago, CommonCents said: Big Bucks. Gag order. Career over. NFL wins
CSBill Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 15 hours ago, LikeIGiveADarn said: Easier and cheaper on tbe NFL to just settle it and make it all go away than to drag it into court and have it be in the news every day for 6 months. This
H2o Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 11 hours ago, Trogdor said: If he donates a big chunk of that then it's really a win for him and the community. Also the mediocre QB thing is played out, his stats and actual gameplay don't back it up at all. Good for him if he does and the people he helps. The QB thing? They were calling for his head in San Fran a year or two before the whole kneeling came about. He is the same as Tyrod. Great athlete, not so great passer. Especially if you keep him in the pocket.
H2o Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 6 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Yeah, like his donations to scumbags that kill cops ? The guy is a goddamn disgrace of a human . I was thinking more along the lines of the inner city kids. 1
Bring it Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 16 hours ago, Foxx said: what a disgrace. My feeling exactly!
Orlando Buffalo Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 10 hours ago, stony said: Not sure I follow you. Vick was fun. Never really a good QB. My point is he was a top ten talent after he was a headache- Kap was no longer a top 20 qb after he became a headache. That is why Vick was given second chance where as Kap was not. Talent vs headache is a personal equation to each GM( like Browns with RB) but Kap was too much headache and not enough talent.
Mr. WEO Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, Doc Brown said: A little surprised as I thought this was a slam dunk case for the NFL. It's very difficult to prove collusion so maybe there was something in Goodell's or other owners emails or text messages that suggested it which is why a gag order was put into place after the agreement. Or, the NFL just wanted it to end. Who knows. 18 hours ago, LikeIGiveADarn said: Easier and cheaper on tbe NFL to just settle it and make it all go away than to drag it into court and have it be in the news every day for 6 months. It would have been easier and cheaper for the NFL to have one of its teams simply sign him. There's no chance Kaep got 50 million. And how much of a sellout to his cause is this guy anyway? If his cause is legit, he would force the case to trial, without concern for losing. Pretty lame, but he was never a serious social justice advocate......until he lost his starting job to Gabbert and Chip Kelly came in and told him he would have to compete with Gabbert to get it back. That's when he started to sulk....I mean that's when he realized he and others of color were being oppressed. Edited February 16, 2019 by Mr. WEO 1
Gugny Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Boyst62 said: What's the right side of history? That a petulant child who can act on emotions devoid of factual proof can cause an uproar and stir nothing more than gossip to push an agenda that is definitively a lie? Yes, I'll stick to a history of facts over two #######s who just want to cry for attention. They're both #######s. Common man. You're smarter than this. Proof I found in less than one minute: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/29/police-killings-black-men-us-and-what-happened-officers/469467002/ Edited February 16, 2019 by Gugny 1
Inigo Montoya Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 The rapid deterioration of this thread into political rock hurling is why the NFL was smart to settle this case for any amount of money. No matter where you stand on Kap, he is forever going to be a lightening rod and it’s best for football if this whole mess just goes away. Football has always been something that brought every Bills fan together in the stands no matter what you looked like or who you voted for. We need to get back to that. There needs to be one place we can all go to be a community and leave our politics at the door. I hope that can be the NFL again someday. 2
Bring it Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, Gugny said: Common man. You're smarter than this. Proof I found in less than one minute: htedtps://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/29/police-killings-black-men-us-and-what-happened-officers/469467002/ Proof? No doubt that some of these killings are unjustified! But I’ve sat a jury enough to also know that the general public and certainly not the media hear all the evidence in a case. And yes one piece of evidence can change a lot! Did Kap have access to evidence in these cases and others that most people don’t? We don’t know that either way. I certainly don’t think that gunning someone down because of their race is right! But, I sure wouldn’t want to be a cop and have to go into some of these hair trigger situations either. No matter the color of the people involved. I guess my problem with Kap is his kneeling whether intentional or not disrespected the many good cops that are out there. Along with our vets! Now he has profited from it. That leaves me disgusted!
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 17 hours ago, Bills2ref said: Are we sure that’s it? Because I sure feel I could be fired at my job if I perform political activism at it. I was thinking it was more along the lines that collusion between two businesses is illegal, irrespective of the part being negwtively impacted. In this case two (or more) independent businesses (the nfl franchises) colluded with each other to negatively impact a party (Kapernick). From my brief research on the subject over the past twenty minutes this is what I’ve gathered. However, like I said, I’m completely unsure. You're both kind of right (to my understanding). This isn't a question of workplace discrimination. If your employer has a rule about political activism at work, you can indeed be fired for it, that isn't discrimination. But then if your employer (lets say you do specialized work in computer hardware development) calls up other businesses in the same field and says "It would be in our industry's best interests if Bills2ref stays unemployed, he's a loudmouthed troublemaker who will make the whole computer hardware development industry look bad" and at least one other business indicates or behaves in a way that can be seen as agreement, that could be collusion and illegal.
Gugny Posted February 16, 2019 Posted February 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Bring it said: Proof? No doubt that some of these killings are unjustified! But I’ve sat a jury enough to also know that the general public and certainly not the media hear all the evidence in a case. And yes one piece of evidence can change a lot! Did Kap have access to evidence in these cases and others that most people don’t? We don’t know that either way. I certainly don’t think that gunning someone down because of their race is right! But, I sure wouldn’t want to be a cop and have to go into some of these hair trigger situations either. No matter the color of the people involved. I guess my problem with Kap is his kneeling whether intentional or not disrespected the many good cops that are out there. Along with our vets! Now he has profited from it. That leaves me disgusted! He was never trying to disrespect good police officers. He never said "all cops are bad," although the socks were a bad look. He never disrespected Vets - in fact, most fellow vets I've spoken to have supported him as he's exercised his freedom of speech via silent protest. Lastly, he's not profiting; he's getting monies from which he was screwed due to being blacklisted.
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