Cardinals tweet their support of Right Josh

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

In the title, anyone know what the word “right” means in terms of Josh? He says “right Josh”. Sorry, it’s been bothering me. 

Last year at draft time, Josh Allen was referred to on TBD as “Wrong Josh” by his detractors so we called Rosen “Right Josh” 

Edited March 4, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[dave mcbride]

6 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Serious question as I posted this in the other thread. Why not draft Murray and keep Rosen till they know who their long term solution is? Can any team risk putting their future on the line for their pre-NFL personnel evaluation?

 

The thinking I've come across is that if you're going to go all in on Murray, get a backup like Brett Hundley who can play that style of game too (Arizona is reportedly sniffing around Hundley). The last thing you want is two qbs for whom you need to design wildly different offenses.  Anyway, Kingsbury is gonna run his system regardless, and Rosen just isn't a fit for it. The best thing that could happen to Rosen might be going to Washington, which runs a pocket passer offense and has a very talented o-line.

Edited March 4, 2019 by dave mcbride

[Dkollidas]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

The thinking I've come across is that if you're going to go all in on Murray, get a backup like Brett Hundley who can play that style of game too (Arizona is reportedly sniffing around Hundley). The last thing you want is two qbs for whom you need to design wildly different offenses.  Anyway, Kingsbury is gonna run his system regardless, and Rosen just isn't a fit for it. The best thing that could happen to Rosen might be going to Washington, which runs a pocket passer offense and has a very talented o-line.

If they got Murray, I would think Tyrod would be a solid placeholder for him. I know he wasn’t great in Cleveland, but neither was Baker before they fired Hue Jackson. He was a terrible coach. 

[Fan in Chicago]

7 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

The thinking I've come across is that if you're going to go all in on Murray, get a backup like Brett Hundley who can play that style of game too (Arizona is reportedly sniffing around Hundley). The last thing you want is two qbs for whom you need to design wildly different offenses.  Anyway, Kingsbury is gonna run his system regardless, and Rosen just isn't a fit for it. The best thing that could happen to Rosen might be going to Washington, which runs a pocket passer offense and has a very talented o-line.

I do understand the argument against the different styles but if they go all-in on Murray and he flames out, they are set back several years.It isnt a guarantee that he will get a QB to fit his scheme in drafts 2020+. That team will end up waiting a long long time. 

OTOH, if they still have Rosen around, Kingsbury may want to design a different offense while he still has a QB.I think it is way too early to get rid of a top-10 QB pick. 

[MJS]

17 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I thought the same thing. Why not keep both and make them battle it out... unless you just think Murray will win regardless and you need to move Rosen while he still maintains any value 

 

How do you effectively develop two young QB's? Split reps? Then you have two QB's that aren't ready each week. There's no way both of them can get the playing time they need if you are trying to develop both of them.

Edited March 5, 2019 by MJS

[Dkollidas]

Cardinals just seem a bit dysfunctional. Why as the GM with a 2nd year QB who you traded up for in the 1st Round of the 2018 draft, would you say he’s your quarterback “for now”? 

 

I wonder if it’s mostly just a smoke screen in order to get someone to try to trade up to #1? 

 

If that’s not it, I just don’t think they know what they’re doing. 

[Alphadawg7]

10 hours ago, MJS said:

 

How do you effectively develop two young QB's? Split reps? Then you have two QB's that aren't ready each week. There's no way both of them can get the playing time they need if you are trying to develop both of them.

 

Rivers and Brees did fine with it.  Aikman did fine battling Walsh.  Baker did fine with TT taking most reps.  

 

What's the difference if it’s a Vet battling a rookie or two young QBs battling?  One is gonna rise to the top still.  

 

 

[MJS]

14 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Rivers and Brees did fine with it.  Aikman did fine battling Walsh.  Baker did fine with TT taking most reps.  

 

What's the difference if it’s a Vet battling a rookie or two young QBs battling?  One is gonna rise to the top still.  

 

You are referencing the exceptions. Plus, in this era teams don't get as much time with the players because of new rules, so Aikman and Walsh are not relevant.

 

With two top 10 QB's drafted back to back, the one who gets the most playing time is going to be the one to rise to the top.

[Alphadawg7]

7 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

You are referencing the exceptions. Plus, in this era teams don't get as much time with the players because of new rules, so Aikman and Walsh are not relevant.

 

With two top 10 QB's drafted back to back, the one who gets the most playing time is going to be the one to rise to the top.

 

The one who gets the most playing will be the guy who won and rose to the top. 

 

I mean every rookie has limited reps, rarely are they the unquestioned starter when drafted.  Allen did fine and he was third on the depth chart when camp began.  Baker wasn’t even supposed to start at all as a rookie, and yet he over took TT early despite limited reps.  Darnold and Lamar too.  

 

So do these two battling isn’t going to stunt their growth, young QBs always split reps until they win the job.

[dave mcbride]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

The one who gets the most playing will be the guy who won and rose to the top. 

 

I mean every rookie has limited reps, rarely are they the unquestioned starter when drafted.  Allen did fine and he was third on the depth chart when camp began.  Baker wasn’t even supposed to start at all as a rookie, and yet he over took TT early despite limited reps.  Darnold and Lamar too.  

 

So do these two battling isn’t going to stunt their growth, young QBs always split reps until they win the job.

I think the issue is that for all intents purposes, Rivers/Brees played (and play) the same basic style, and Aikman/Walsh did the same. Rosen and Murray play wildly different styles and each would fare best in an offense entirely unlike the one the other would fare best in.

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I think the issue is that for all intents purposes, Rivers/Brees played (and play) the same basic style, and Aikman/Walsh did the same. Rosen and Murray play wildly different styles and each would fare best in an offense entirely unlike the one the other would fare best in.

 

I think Rosen is getting traded personally, and likely to Washington.  I was just saying it’s not crazy.  Flacco and Lamar played different styles too though and Lamar was able to take over for a SB champion QB.

[Buffalophil1948]

Some stores here in Phoenix are trying to get rid of Rosen jerseys for $30

[LABILLBACKER]

On 2/12/2019 at 2:08 PM, 2018 Our Year For Sure said:

The graphic doesn't close the quotation! What was Kingsbury's next sentence, eh?

.....for now"....

[MJS]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

The one who gets the most playing will be the guy who won and rose to the top. 

 

I mean every rookie has limited reps, rarely are they the unquestioned starter when drafted.  Allen did fine and he was third on the depth chart when camp began.  Baker wasn’t even supposed to start at all as a rookie, and yet he over took TT early despite limited reps.  Darnold and Lamar too.  

 

So do these two battling isn’t going to stunt their growth, young QBs always split reps until they win the job.

 

Tyrod Taylor got injured. Yes, he was sucking, so a benching was probably coming anyways, but Mayfield played first because of injury. Same with Lamar Jackson. He played when Flacco got hurt. Darnold had a journeyman crappy QB in front of him.

 

Allen split reps, yes, which any coach will tell you us not ideal. He didn't have a serious QB to contend with though. It was always going to be his job eventually. Same with Darnold, Mayfield, etc.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

 

Tyrod Taylor got injured. Yes, he was sucking, so a benching was probably coming anyways, but Mayfield played first because of injury. Same with Lamar Jackson. He played when Flacco got hurt. Darnold had a journeyman crappy QB in front of him.

 

Allen split reps, yes, which any coach will tell you us not ideal. He didn't have a serious QB to contend with though. It was always going to be his job eventually. Same with Darnold, Mayfield, etc.

 

Yeah but none of that is relevant to what is being discussed here regarding your original post I replied to.  You expressed concern over a QBs ability to develop if splitting reps and being ready to play.  I have now showed you several examples of how that’s not really a big concern.  

 

All those QBs showed they can develop and were ready to play despite having limited and split reps up to that point.  Doesn’t matter how they got on field, they found success despite splitting reps up to that point.  

 

Again, I’m sure AZ will trade Rosen and this is a mute point.  My point was simply it’s possible to keep both.  All rookies split reps before ascending to top of depth chart.  Them splitting reps is no different than what any rookie QB generally faces.  

Edited March 5, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[YoloinOhio]

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[JaCrispy]

We have now entered the twilight zone 

[GunnerBill]

I think Arizona is what we refer to as a cluster***k over here in the UK. They seem all over the place. 

 

There are twitter rumours out there supporting the Casserly story about Murray interviewing terribly and even saying a team "with real interest" has now "removed him totally from their board". Now I doubt that is Arizona.... that would be an embarrassing climb down but who knows with the mess there?

[C.Biscuit97]

So to be clear:  people are celebrating the “right” Josh based on a rumor that hasn’t happened with the Cards trading a rookie qb who basically had the same passing stats as our rookie QB?  Makes sense.  

 

Also, if we reverse the Joshs, we would have the same exact attitude towards Allen as some have towards Rosen.  Even if I didn’t like a rookie 1st round qb, to trade him after year on a crappy team is insane. IF the Cards do this, they better hit a Mahomes homer and hope Rosen doesn’t become a good qb.

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

I think Arizona is what we refer to as a cluster***k over here in the UK. They seem all over the place. 

 

There are twitter rumours out there supporting the Casserly story about Murray interviewing terribly and even saying a team "with real interest" has now "removed him totally from their board". Now I doubt that is Arizona.... that would be an embarrassing climb down but who knows with the mess there?

I’d like to think it’s draft time and everyone is lying.  

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

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Honestly, what sense does it make tfor Arizona to reveal their true plans either way?  If anything, they are better off getting lies out there.

[BillsSB2020]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yeah but none of that is relevant to what is being discussed here regarding your original post I replied to.  You expressed concern over a QBs ability to develop if splitting reps and being ready to play.  I have now showed you several examples of how that’s not really a big concern.  

 

All those QBs showed they can develop and were ready to play despite having limited and split reps up to that point.  Doesn’t matter how they got on field, they found success despite splitting reps up to that point.  

 

Again, I’m sure AZ will trade Rosen and this is a mute point.  My point was simply it’s possible to keep both.  All rookies split reps before ascending to top of depth chart.  Them splitting reps is no different than what any rookie QB generally faces.  

I generally agree with the sentiment and this would be a VERY unique situation. Only one that comes to mind is Brees/Rivers.

 

My take is that a vet QB like Flacco/TT/McCown but that didn't materialize, may take a hit in performance as the internal and external pressure to play the rookie takes a toll. At the end of the day, the young guy is going to play anyway so it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.

 

This would be different. May the best young guy win and you trade the other one. Getting QB right is by far the most important thing a franchise must do. If they're not sold on Rosen and love Murray, why not?

Edited March 6, 2019 by BillsSB2020