Deranged Rhino Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 I hesitated wading into this thread, but what the hell... We are already at war as a nation today. It's an (dis)information war being waged by multiple actors both foreign and domestic. By my count we're in year 4 of what will come to be seen as WW3, it's just a type of war that's never been waged before. Multiple parties engaging in this shadow conflict want nothing more than for it to spill over into an actual shooting war between the people of this country - while other parties are working tirelessly to prevent such an escalation. Personally I'm a non violent guy. The thought of arming up to go to war with my fellow citizens is mortifying and would signal the darkness has taken the lead. Part of what drove me to go full bore into this research - and sharing it with this board and others - for the past 2+ years has been the belief that we can prevent an escalation by bringing the truth to light. The truth being that we are being purposefully lied to, manipulated, and divided to keep the sunlight from exposing the most complicit and dirtiest of actors in this saga. Through this work I've been privileged to meet dozens of men and women who believe we can make it through this quagmire without slipping into a shooting war and who have dedicated their professional and personal lives to seeing that mission through. At the start of this all, for me personally, I was told repeatedly that it's too late. The die was already cast, the darkness was on the march and the people were too lazy, uninterested, programmed to ever care enough to wake up and stop it. But that's not at all what I've seen and experienced over the past few years. I've seen more and more people waking up to the shenanigans afoot - even people who don't buy in to the whole narrative, they have seen enough to adjust their perception and start digging on their own into the issues of the day. Every day more people snap out of their slumber and start looking at the world with fresh eyes. That's how we're going to win without (additional) violence spilling over to the general population. Make no mistake, there already is an active shooting war going on in multiple theaters where real people are killing and dying for their chosen sides - and more will be needed to root out some of the worst elements. But I remain steadfast in my belief that their work can be augmented by the people sharing information and learning how to hone their own discernment. That's our role as citizens. That's the job of those willing to do the digging and sharing with others. If we handle this correctly - and so far I believe it has been going better than it may seem on the surface - there does not have to be a second American civil war. That remains my hope and goal. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted February 8, 2019 Author Share Posted February 8, 2019 31 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So you never heard of the Red Scare of 1919? Actually I had to Google...I don’t think much of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted February 8, 2019 Author Share Posted February 8, 2019 27 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: I hesitated wading into this thread, but what the hell... We are already at war as a nation today. It's an (dis)information war being waged by multiple actors both foreign and domestic. By my count we're in year 4 of what will come to be seen as WW3, it's just a type of war that's never been waged before. Multiple parties engaging in this shadow conflict want nothing more than for it to spill over into an actual shooting war between the people of this country - while other parties are working tirelessly to prevent such an escalation. Personally I'm a non violent guy. The thought of arming up to go to war with my fellow citizens is mortifying and would signal the darkness has taken the lead. Part of what drove me to go full bore into this research - and sharing it with this board and others - for the past 2+ years has been the belief that we can prevent an escalation by bringing the truth to light. The truth being that we are being purposefully lied to, manipulated, and divided to keep the sunlight from exposing the most complicit and dirtiest of actors in this saga. Through this work I've been privileged to meet dozens of men and women who believe we can make it through this quagmire without slipping into a shooting war and who have dedicated their professional and personal lives to seeing that mission through. At the start of this all, for me personally, I was told repeatedly that it's too late. The die was already cast, the darkness was on the march and the people were too lazy, uninterested, programmed to ever care enough to wake up and stop it. But that's not at all what I've seen and experienced over the past few years. I've seen more and more people waking up to the shenanigans afoot - even people who don't buy in to the whole narrative, they have seen enough to adjust their perception and start digging on their own into the issues of the day. Every day more people snap out of their slumber and start looking at the world with fresh eyes. That's how we're going to win without (additional) violence spilling over to the general population. Make no mistake, there already is an active shooting war going on in multiple theaters where real people are killing and dying for their chosen sides - and more will be needed to root out some of the worst elements. But I remain steadfast in my belief that their work can be augmented by the people sharing information and learning how to hone their own discernment. That's our role as citizens. That's the job of those willing to do the digging and sharing with others. If we handle this correctly - and so far I believe it has been going better than it may seem on the surface - there does not have to be a second American civil war. That remains my hope and goal. Oh I don’t think there will be a civil war. I’m talking brown shirting polling places. Yes it’s a Nazirific idea — but some things the Nazis did worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: BREAKING NEWS From Costa Rica to New Jersey: A pipeline of illegal workers for Trump goes back years Accounts by former employees of Trump National Golf Club Bedminster add to evidence that even as President Trump vilifies workers without legal status, he has long benefited from their labor. By Joshua Partlow, Nick Miroff and Does Trump review all the employment applications or does Putin? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Tiberius said: Move to Russia! The Soros cubicle farm in Hungary makes it so you could walk there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: The Soros cubicle farm in Hungary makes it so you could walk there. Oh, sticking to the anti-semitic conspiracy theory are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Gary M said: Does Trump review all the employment applications or does Putin? Trump reviews the applications before forwarding them on to Putin for a final determination. It's very important that the right illegal is chosen to be an overnight maid at the Trump golf resort in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 3 hours ago, GG said: I thought you were a student of history. Please tell me how this is worse than the Communist threat from European immigrants 100 years ago? We were not feeding communists for free and not paying for tuition so they could listen to communist university types 100 years ago. Also, 100 years ago it was very difficult for communists to network and hence coordinate efforts. Today we have the internet where a discouraging word said about communism is labeled hate speech. The internet is there also for pliable minds that will accept ideas without attempting to see if they are in fact logical. 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh, sticking to the anti-semitic conspiracy theory are we? You spout that nonsense as though somebody will take you seriously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 3 hours ago, GG said: I thought you were a student of history. Why on earth would you think that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: You spout that nonsense as though somebody will take you seriously. Even Fox news banned that hateful conspiracy language https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2018/10/29/lou-dobbs-controversy-fox-bans-george-soros-conspiracy-theory-guest/1804634002/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 2 hours ago, The_Dude said: Ok, let me start by saying American history is boring and so I’m not the best to answer this. Second, I don’t even know if your comparison merits consideration. I mean, what we’re the demographics of European immigration then, especially from Eastern Europe? Thirdly, did we have a commie problem then? I know that France, Germany, England and Italy had “issues” but none were Bolshevik level serious. So not only am I unfamiliar with the statistics I’d need to answer that, I’m also not sure it’s a fair question. Germany had more than just issues with communism when it lost WWI. My grandmother was there in the East as a young woman. She knew the government approved by the Allies would not last and that all the choices were bad in terms of alternatives. The communists ran in gangs in cities such as Berlin and it was either join them or be killed. Things polarized rather quick like with being forced to choose between a monarchy, communism, and shortly afterward Nazism. She got out in the early 1920's and came to the US. A lot of my father's family anticipated extremism coming to power one way or another in post WWi Germany so they also left. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Why on earth would you think that? I guess I should have phrased it as "you're someone who claims to know history, while consistently demonstrating that you know nothing of history" - as exemplified by sheer stupidity of not knowing when the communist threats began. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Even Fox news banned that hateful conspiracy language https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2018/10/29/lou-dobbs-controversy-fox-bans-george-soros-conspiracy-theory-guest/1804634002/ Way to take things out of context. I've never cited Soros religious beliefs once here. I've never referenced his heritage other than saying he was born in Hungary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, The_Dude said: Oh I don’t think there will be a civil war. I’m talking brown shirting polling places. Yes it’s a Nazirific idea — but some things the Nazis did worked. Yes because god forbid people should vote the wrong way in this democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Germany had more than just issues with communism when it lost WWI. My grandmother was there in the East as a young woman. She knew the government approved by the Allies would not last and that all the choices were bad in terms of alternatives. The communists ran in gangs in cities such as Berlin and it was either join them or be killed. Things polarized rather quick like with being forced to choose between a monarchy, communism, and shortly afterward Nazism. She got out in the early 1920's and came to the US. A lot of my father's family anticipated extremism coming to power one way or another in post WWi Germany so they also left. Had the gREAT depression not have happened German democracy probably would have taken hold. The Nazis only got 2% of the vote in 1928, then the Depression hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Germany had more than just issues with communism when it lost WWI. My grandmother was there in the East as a young woman. She knew the government approved by the Allies would not last and that all the choices were bad in terms of alternatives. The communists ran in gangs in cities such as Berlin and it was either join them or be killed. Things polarized rather quick like with being forced to choose between a monarchy, communism, and shortly afterward Nazism. She got out in the early 1920's and came to the US. A lot of my father's family anticipated extremism coming to power one way or another in post WWi Germany so they also left. Potato Famine and Empire Loyalists for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Way to take things out of context. I've never cited Soros religious beliefs once here. I've never referenced his heritage other than saying he was born in Hungary. You didn't have to, you just repeat the lie and the lie includes the anti-semitism. Don't want to be associated with that lie? Don't spread it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Had the gREAT depression not have happened German democracy probably would have taken hold. The Nazis only got 2% of the vote in 1928, then the Depression hit. You are talking through your ass. The Depression made things hopeless but hyperinflation in Germany all throughout the 1920's made it very unlikely that a democracy would take hold during the 1930's. Probably the best that could have been hoped for was some kind of socialist government that pervaded Europe after WWII. Hitler rose once the Depression took hold and stoked all the ego's with talk of nationalism. The population was prone to a charismatic leader even if he was demented and twisted. If the German population would have been willing to let go of losing the First World War then Hitler would have vanished like a fart in the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: You are talking through your ass. The Depression made things hopeless but hyperinflation in Germany all throughout the 1920's made it very unlikely that a democracy would take hold during the 1930's. Probably the best that could have been hoped for was some kind of socialist government that pervaded Europe after WWII. Hitler rose once the Depression took hold and stoked all the ego's with talk of nationalism. The population was prone to a charismatic leader even if he was demented and twisted. If the German population would have been willing to let go of losing the First World War then Hitler would have vanished like a fart in the wind. No, wrong. The hyper inflation was gone by late 20's sniff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Never mind civil war............ What about a nuclear holocost with Russia and/or China. How does 2 billion deaths lie on your conscience(spelling)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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