Estelle Getty Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 The great debate of who has been more responsible for the *pats success was answered this season. Look the Cheifs game, Bellichick was working with one of the most physically limited players in the NFL in Brady and he game planned for his only 2 strengths he has left accuracy and awareness. Brady can no longer throw the ball in the air over 20 yards with any real chance of success. Even that heave into the endzone was just him floating it up and wishing for the best. Brady has less than 8 games left as a formidable NFL QB. Bellichick has shown he can coach as long as he wants. 2
Aussie Joe Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 This debate is like assuming that Admiral Yamamoto was chiefly responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor and then finding out it was actually Mitsuo Fuchida.. Either way the damage has been done.. 10 2 1
Thurman#1 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) Sure, Belichick can coach as long as he wants. And he'll do really well. But without Brady they wouldn't be close to the juggernaut they've been. Belichick without Brady will produce a fine team. Not a dynasty. And while Brady has lost a little something from his arm strength, saying that he "can no longer throw the ball in the air over 20 yards with any real chance of success," goes beyond serious exaggeration into being just wrong. You do know he had a 28 yard TD throw last week, right, a catch that was caught six yards deep so it actually went 34 air yards beyond the LOS? You know that right, and that it was a pinpoint pass, right? And that that beautiful back shoulder ball to Gronk at the 9 with a minute left in the game was a 20 yard pass? You say Brady is one of the most physically limited players in the NFL? Yeah, maybe. But it's been true his whole career and he's probably the GOAT despite that. It's both Brady and Belichick but if you had to pick one, it's more Brady. Edited January 31, 2019 by Thurman#1 2
PrimeTime101 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Belichick without brady is like a glass without liquid.. a sandwich without meat or pbj. The day Brady retired Belichick retires. 1
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Didnt make the playoffs the year brady was out. 2 1
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: Belichick without brady is like a glass without liquid.. a sandwich without meat or pbj. The day Brady retired Belichick retires. I don think Belly will retire, he wouldn't know whats else to do. He sure as Hell isnt going into broadcast. Could you imagine him in the booth ... (cohost) That was amazing Bill! Can you believe what Roethlisberger just did !! (Bill) No, im only focused on Cincinnati. Edited January 31, 2019 by Buffalo Barbarian 3
reddogblitz Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 36 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Didnt make the playoffs the year brady was out. they went 11-5 that year. It was an odd year in that regard. It hasn't happened since. While true it was a f!uke. Patsies** have gone 13-6 without Tommy with Matt Cassel, Jimmy, and Jacoby Brissett. it's Bill Bsllyache (and the cheating). 3
Prickly Pete Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Estelle Getty said: The great debate of who has been more responsible for the *pats success was answered this season. Look the Cheifs game, Bellichick was working with one of the most physically limited players in the NFL in Brady and he game planned for his only 2 strengths he has left accuracy and awareness. Brady can no longer throw the ball in the air over 20 yards with any real chance of success. Even that heave into the endzone was just him floating it up and wishing for the best. Brady has less than 8 games left as a formidable NFL QB. Bellichick has shown he can coach as long as he wants. Nice try
formerlyofCtown Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Estelle Getty said: The great debate of who has been more responsible for the *pats success was answered this season. Look the Cheifs game, Bellichick was working with one of the most physically limited players in the NFL in Brady and he game planned for his only 2 strengths he has left accuracy and awareness. Brady can no longer throw the ball in the air over 20 yards with any real chance of success. Even that heave into the endzone was just him floating it up and wishing for the best. Brady has less than 8 games left as a formidable NFL QB. Bellichick has shown he can coach as long as he wants. Brady has never been a deep ball thrower. He has always been the gamemanager of all game managers. He never beat anyone with his arm, he beat em with his head. If he had an elite arm he would have been drafted before the sixth round. If he went anywhere else his story is likely different. Its a combonation of both men. 5
billsfan1959 Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 5 hours ago, Estelle Getty said: The great debate of who has been more responsible for the *pats success was answered this season. Look the Cheifs game, Bellichick was working with one of the most physically limited players in the NFL in Brady and he game planned for his only 2 strengths he has left accuracy and awareness. Brady can no longer throw the ball in the air over 20 yards with any real chance of success. Even that heave into the endzone was just him floating it up and wishing for the best. Brady has less than 8 games left as a formidable NFL QB. Bellichick has shown he can coach as long as he wants. If one were to make an argument as to why Tom Brady might be the GOAT, arm strength and throwing “the ball in the air over 20 yards” would never even be in the discussion. I cannot wait until they are both gone; however, the truth is they may be one of the best QB/coaching combinations in the history of the NFL. I do not believe the sustained success of NE would ever have occurred without both.
IgotBILLStopay Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) Hmm what about last years super bowl? Did Brady lose it or was it Belichik? FYI Brady had one of his best days ever. bottomline one can make either argument. Edited January 31, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay
Nextmanup Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't it be both? What they have done together is remarkable and totally unprecedented in the world of NFL football.
BuffaloBill Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't it be both? What they have done together is remarkable and totally unprecedented in the world of NFL football. Sadly, this is correct.
papazoid Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 NE without brady assumes only trash backups at the position come next. they likely would have drafted or signed a different top QB....joey garrapolo, etc.... Brady is slightly better than manning, brees, etc.... In 2018 brady rated 12th in passer rating and 6th in total QBR. the gap between Belichick and the next best HC is cavernous. they need each other, but belichick's talents are more rare. salary cap management, trading away stars before huge contracts for more team controlled draft picks, discilpline, game plans, the patriot way. 2
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 Tom Brady is great but it's obviously Belichick c'mon.
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Estelle Getty said: The great debate of who has been more responsible for the *pats success was answered this season. Look the Cheifs game, Bellichick was working with one of the most physically limited players in the NFL in Brady and he game planned for his only 2 strengths he has left accuracy and awareness. Brady can no longer throw the ball in the air over 20 yards with any real chance of success. Even that heave into the endzone was just him floating it up and wishing for the best. Brady has less than 8 games left as a formidable NFL QB. Bellichick has shown he can coach as long as he wants. I think they are still cheating, but in a different way, because magically the Cheatriots adjust perfectly. They target vulnerable coaching ctaffs and get an edge. Sean McVay should have heeded the warnings given by others and have done something radical to prevent this. I hope so... 1
PlayoffsPlease Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Sure, Belichick can coach as long as he wants. And he'll do really well. But without Brady they wouldn't be close to the juggernaut they've been. Belichick without Brady will produce a fine team. Not a dynasty. And while Brady has lost a little something from his arm strength, saying that he "can no longer throw the ball in the air over 20 yards with any real chance of success," goes beyond serious exaggeration into being just wrong. You do know he had a 28 yard TD throw last week, right, a catch that was caught six yards deep so it actually went 34 air yards beyond the LOS? You know that right, and that it was a pinpoint pass, right? And that that beautiful back shoulder ball to Gronk at the 9 with a minute left in the game was a 20 yard pass? You say Brady is one of the most physically limited players in the NFL? Yeah, maybe. But it's been true his whole career and he's probably the GOAT despite that. It's both Brady and Belichick but if you had to pick one, it's more Brady. I think this is wrong. I think there are a number of other QBs in the league over time that Bellicheck could have been a juggernuat with . Rivers, Brees, Manning, Rothlisberger, Rogers, R. Wilson, M. Ryan, Cam Newtown, Not having Tom Brady, does not mean you must have JP Losman , Trent Edwards, or Nate Peterman. 1 1
MJS Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 It's like Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader. Both have contributed to the suffering. In order to save the galaxy both must die. 3 2
LABILLBACKER Posted January 31, 2019 Posted January 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Didnt make the playoffs the year brady was out. Yea but he squeezed 11 wins out of an awful Matt Cassel. He should get in the HOF for that alone. 2 1
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