BillyWhiteShows Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I still don't understand how Drew Lock can be a top 10 pick. I like him. I think he has a chance to develop into a starting QB. But he has way too many holes to go top 10. I can see how Haskins can be a top 10 pick... it is a bit of a reach but he is a Quarterback - they get reached on that is fine. Murray if he is tall enough and convinces teams he wants to play football is a top 10 type pick. Jones I still need to do a lot more work on but liked what I saw in the Senior Bowl. But Drew Lock is a day 2 pick. If a team drafts him top 10 they have lost their collective minds. We’ll see...We all know how QB’s have had their stock skyrocket at the combine. Also there are a number of teams desperate to draft a franchise QB. I think that could lead to a lock or Murray go higher than we anticipated. I still think there will be 4 QB’s drafted in Round 1. If 2 are off the board before the Bills pick at #9, they are in a great position to draft before Denver. Edited January 28, 2019 by BillyWhiteShows
billsfan89 Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 The market for a QB trade down isn't great but a lower top 10 pick (as the Bills have) could be an interesting spot where some mid-level teams try to trade up. I don't think a trade down will resort in a huge haul but a 2nd rounder and a late rounder to trade down 6-9 spots would be a very nice return.
reddogblitz Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 That trade seems a little light. Throw in next years first and we might think about it. We need players. As Booger said in the Pro Bowl today " picks Don t win games, players do. " How far down the road are you willing to kick the can?
formerlyofCtown Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Foxx said: am i having deja vu? At least its better than a 3 and 4, but I dont know that Im moving down 6 spots for just a 2. I think I want their 5. 3 hours ago, reddogblitz said: That trade seems a little light. Throw in next years first and we might think about it. We need players. As Booger said in the Pro Bowl today " picks Don t win games, players do. " How far down the road are you willing to kick the can? Thats way too much. If its next years first then there is no 2. Next yr 1st and this years 3 would be fair. These guys dont appear to be Mayfield or JA.
Thurman#1 Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 4 hours ago, njbuff said: I go back to last year.................... The Bills gave up TWO second rounders to move up 5 spots. The Bills are getting the Redskins 2nd and 3rd rounders to move up for a QB. The Bills set the market last year for what it is worth to move into the top 10 from teens (or 12). 12th to 7th as we did last year was 300 points difference in the standard chart. This year's trade would only be 250. It's also based on which team is desperate and how much so. A 2nd and 3rd would seem like really good value to me.
gobills1212 Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 5 hours ago, RPbillsfan said: Looking at the current situation with Alex Smith (out for 2019) and probably done I see a possible trade down now for the Bills. Lets assess the QB market FA - Bridgewater, Tyrod Taylor Potential FA - Nick Foles Will be traded - Joe Flacco, Blake Bortles Will they be moved? Dalton, Tannehill Teams with QB needs: NY Giants Jacksonville Denver Washington Bengals and Dolphins probably keep what they have. Betting Bridgewater goes to Jacksonville Giants to draft Haskins Do Redskins reach out to trade for Flacco or look for a QB in the draft. If the trade comes to be, Bills get pick 15 and Redskins 2nd My picks: TJ Hockenson at 15 Hakeem Butler at 40 Chris LIndstrom at 46 Your thoughts Crikey mate. Use yer bloody eyes
reddogblitz Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Thats way too much. If its next years first then there is no 2. Next yr 1st and this years 3 would be fair. These guys dont appear to be Mayfield or JA. It's Washington. Hold 'email up. They'll pay.
GunnerBill Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 4 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said: We’ll see...We all know how QB’s have had their stock skyrocket at the combine. Also there are a number of teams desperate to draft a franchise QB. I think that could lead to a lock or Murray go higher than we anticipated. I still think there will be 4 QB’s drafted in Round 1. If 2 are off the board before the Bills pick at #9, they are in a great position to draft before Denver. I think there will be 2 QBs in the first round and a maximum of 1 in the top 10.
BobbyC81 Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I still don't understand how Drew Lock can be a top 10 pick. I like him. I think he has a chance to develop into a starting QB. But he has way too many holes to go top 10. I can see how Haskins can be a top 10 pick... it is a bit of a reach but he is a Quarterback - they get reached on that is fine. Murray if he is tall enough and convinces teams he wants to play football is a top 10 type pick. Jones I still need to do a lot more work on but liked what I saw in the Senior Bowl. But Drew Lock is a day 2 pick. If a team drafts him top 10 they have lost their collective minds. Remember the 2011 draft when Locker, Gabbert and Ponder all taken in the Top 12, all taken too high. 1
The Senator Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, RPbillsfan said: Looking at the current situation with Alex Smith (out for 2019) and probably done I see a possible trade down now for the Bills. Lets assess the QB market FA - Bridgewater, Tyrod Taylor Potential FA - Nick Foles Will be traded - Joe Flacco, Blake Bortles Will they be moved? Dalton, Tannehill Teams with QB needs: NY Giants Jacksonville Denver Washington Bengals and Dolphins probably keep what they have. Betting Bridgewater goes to Jacksonville Giants to draft Haskins Do Redskins reach out to trade for Flacco or look for a QB in the draft. If the trade comes to be, Bills get pick 15 and Redskins 2nd My picks: TJ Hockenson at 15 Hakeem Butler at 40 Chris LIndstrom at 46 Your thoughts Well, if the Giants or Jaguars do take Haskins, I don’t see any need for the Redskins to trade up. If Haskins is available, then the ‘skins might want to move up to get ahead of Denver. Personally, I would be wary of a 3rd year sophomore QB with only 14 starts - he’s not going to see any playing time in 2019. Beane has said that the Bills really don’t need to be in the top 10. I disagree and hope the Bills stay put at #9, but maybe Beane thinks that Jonah Williams or DK Metcalf will fall out of the top 10. Those would be the 2 guys I’d target in round one. Then again, I believe Colin Kaepernick is available - maybe the Redskins can sign him and this will all be moot. . Edited January 28, 2019 by The Senator 1
GunnerBill Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 2 hours ago, LittleJoeCartwright said: Remember the 2011 draft when Locker, Gabbert and Ponder all taken in the Top 12, all taken too high. I do and I believe the NFL has tried to correct itself since. Just because you want someone to be a franchise Quarterback doesn't mean they will be. To me taking the likes of Drew Lock (and potentially Daniel Jones though I still need to watch more of him) in the top 10 or 12 is on a par with those 2011 reaches and the NFL has generally stayed away from them since.
formerlyofCtown Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 5 hours ago, reddogblitz said: It's Washington. Hold 'email up. They'll pay. True
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 Spoiler alert. This is similar to the Redskins may want to trade up for a QB thread.
Tatonka68 Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 15.0 Noah Fant TE 40.0 Chris Lindstrom OL 46.0 Jerry Tillery DT FA Signings Daryl Williams & OT, Matt Pardis C. Edited January 28, 2019 by Tatonka68 1
BillyWhiteShows Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 10 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think there will be 2 QBs in the first round and a maximum of 1 in the top 10. I am pretty sure there will be more than 2. I can’t see teams passing up the chance to draft QB’s in round 1, especially when a first round pick gets you an option year. I think we’ll see 4 in round 1, not sure how many will be Top 10 - but I would guess at least 2
P51 Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 I posted these numbers in the Crabbs mock thread, and figured they applied here as well, do as you please "...Last years move up by Buffalo is a very similar situation and they paid a 27% and 29% premium to move up into the top ten according to the JJ and RH trade charts respectively. Thats the market value I think they would be looking for in return in a possible trade down with Washington. Buffalo trading picks 9 and 167 (pick 8 round 6, pre-comp pick), for Washington's first 3 picks, 15, 46, and 76 would be a premium increase of 24% and 28% according to the JJ and RH trade charts. Sounds like a win win, the Skins jump Denver for their QB of the future, Buffalo moves back and gets a top end prospect and 2 day 2 picks..." Seems pretty comparable value wise considering both moves are/were for a QB. 2
GunnerBill Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said: I am pretty sure there will be more than 2. I can’t see teams passing up the chance to draft QB’s in round 1, especially when a first round pick gets you an option year. I think we’ll see 4 in round 1, not sure how many will be Top 10 - but I would guess at least 2 It depends if teams think these guys are good.
RPbillsfan Posted January 28, 2019 Author Posted January 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, P51 said: I posted these numbers in the Crabbs mock thread, and figured they applied here as well, do as you please "...Last years move up by Buffalo is a very similar situation and they paid a 27% and 29% premium to move up into the top ten according to the JJ and RH trade charts respectively. Thats the market value I think they would be looking for in return in a possible trade down with Washington. Buffalo trading picks 9 and 167 (pick 8 round 6, pre-comp pick), for Washington's first 3 picks, 15, 46, and 76 would be a premium increase of 24% and 28% according to the JJ and RH trade charts. Sounds like a win win, the Skins jump Denver for their QB of the future, Buffalo moves back and gets a top end prospect and 2 day 2 picks..." Seems pretty comparable value wise considering both moves are/were for a QB. Very well researched. Based on skins cap situation this would help them. Bills then draft 15, 40, 46, 74, 76 the first two days Wow Then we have 2 picks in round 4 & 5 and 2 in the 7th Total roster rebuild with FA acquisitions 2
mannc Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, njbuff said: I go back to last year.................... The Bills gave up TWO second rounders to move up 5 spots. The Bills are getting the Redskins 2nd and 3rd rounders to move up for a QB. The Bills set the market last year for what it is worth to move into the top 10 from teens (or 12). What happened last year hardly matters. There won't be a prospect like Josh Allen available at 9 this year and there probably won't be multiple teams vying for the pick. Every draft is different and moving up to 7 is different than moving to 9. And don't forget, the Bills' second round picks last year were both late in the second round. The Bills would probably be very happy to drop back to 15 and pick up the 'Skins' second round pick. It's very unlikely they will be able to get and second and a third rounder to drop back six slots. Edited January 28, 2019 by mannc
BillsMafia13 Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 Love these bloated contracts of older QB handcuffing their teams. Washington almost has to take one based on their situation. Can anyone tell me how good this crop of QBs is compared to '11 (Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder, Dalton) and '13 (EJ, Geno, Glennon, Barkley)
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