Numark3 Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: I know you're new at this communication thing but you probably shouldn't take lessons from Joe Biden. As your opponent, you are my best witness. I like you pretending to be a lawyer. It’s adorable. what’s your job anyways, let’s discuss how it perfectly align with you morals. No? Didn’t think so
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 20 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I’m sure it was an oversight, but indulge me a bit further. You’ve acknowledged being willing to end the life of a child just before birth assuming you earned market rate with an “on demand” approach....but did not answer the question regarding terminating the life of the child once that child had been born. Would you be willing to proceed and end the life of that child, obviously assuming you were compensated accordingly? Assuming the answer is yes, would you place limits on the timing? An hour, two, 24? @Crayola64 just following up on this question from yesterday. Any thoughts on this? 1
Numark3 Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: @Crayola64 just following up on this question from yesterday. Any thoughts on this? asking if I would murder a child after it was born? No, and that is irrelevant to the topic of abortion. no bill or law has ever permitted that, that is an extremely misleading right-wing scare tactic. Edited March 22, 2020 by Crayola64
3rdnlng Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: @Crayola64 just following up on this question from yesterday. Any thoughts on this? You might want to take anything he now says with a grain of salt since he posted this just above: "also, while I haven’t said it, I would also do stuff for money I didn’t agree with."
Numark3 Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 Just now, 3rdnlng said: You might want to take anything he now says with a grain of salt since he posted this just above: "also, while I haven’t said it, I would also do stuff for money I didn’t agree with." why do you refuse to share your line of work, while ridiculing other’s? and take a poll, plenty of people would take a paycheck for things they don’t morally agree with. Great great discovery (that i freely admit lol)
Doc Brown Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 4 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: You are saying that a person who could tolerate some early abortion but puts their foot down and says a big fvcking no to late term and partial birth abortions is somehow capitulating to their base? This describes me and I can tell you without a doubt that if I capitulated to anything, it was to my conscience and not some so-called base. You're acting like all Democrats are for late term abortions when it actually had more support in the late 90's. I'm pointing out that the issue of abortion is not completely divided along party lines on this issue. There is a sizable bloc of Republicans (not the majority obviously) who support abortion rights in most instances. There is a smaller (but not insignificant) group of Democrats who oppose abortion rights. These voices aren't heard because of the increasing vigor and power of conservative Christians in the Republican party and women rights activists in the Democratic party. That's led to politicians on both sides to either capitulate to those bases in risk of being primaried or being replaced by somebody who's more in line with their views. That was my only point. 3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: My point is that for people who are pro-life, propaganda is unnecessary. There is little doubt that the abortion industry is just that—an industry. Many people benefit from it, and the reality is that some would cringe in horror at the thought of the Chinese harvesting organs, while calling pro-life supporters lunatics for speaking out against organ harvesting. I never called you lunatics as fetal tissue research has always been controversial. However, I don't equate a billion dollar industry forced Chinese organ harvesting where they kill people and sell their organs to US women voluntarily making their aborted fetus available to research labs in hope of studying fetal tissue to lead to medical breakthroughs that will save lives.
Deranged Rhino Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 He can't escape his own words: he'd murder a child for enough money. He's dishonest, has no values, and brags about both. Ignore him and he'll be back with a new screen name yet again.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 Just now, Crayola64 said: asking if I would murder a child after it was born? No, and that is irrelevant to the topic of abortion. no bill or law has ever permitted that, that is an extremely misleading right-wing scare tactic. Don't go getting all mushy on the issue, we both know it's a relevant topic for discussion. You may find it unsavory to discuss, but it's been part of the discourse and rightly so. As for scare tactics...what's with all the labels? Who exactly would be 'scared'? You've indicated that you've taken refuge in the crowd of the majority of Americans who believe in abortion/murder until the first breath of a child, who's left to be scared? The pro-life crowd? They hate it all, no need for propaganda or made up stories. I wonder about these things. I struggle with how someone like you could terminate the life of a child at that stage of the child's life, with total regard for how much money you would make, and no regard for the life of a baby where the only difference between abortion and murder is a cervix and a few minutes of pushing. It seems to me there is a certain class of citizen who simply needs the crowd to give it's approval, for the compensation to make it worth their while, and next thing you know the moral line in the sand gets pushed back to perhaps birth +24 hours. 1
Numark3 Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Don't go getting all mushy on the issue, we both know it's a relevant topic for discussion. You may find it unsavory to discuss, but it's been part of the discourse and rightly so. As for scare tactics...what's with all the labels? Who exactly would be 'scared'? You've indicated that you've taken refuge in the crowd of the majority of Americans who believe in abortion/murder until the first breath of a child, who's left to be scared? The pro-life crowd? They hate it all, no need for propaganda or made up stories. I wonder about these things. I struggle with how someone like you could terminate the life of a child at that stage of the child's life, with total regard for how much money you would make, and no regard for the life of a baby where the only difference between abortion and murder is a cervix and a few minutes of pushing. It seems to me there is a certain class of citizen who simply needs the crowd to give it's approval, for the compensation to make it worth their while, and next thing you know the moral line in the sand gets pushed back to perhaps birth +24 hours. Ohhhhhh, you are a nutjob. 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He can't escape his own words: he'd murder a child for enough money. He's dishonest, has no values, and brags about both. Ignore him and he'll be back with a new screen name yet again. lol making up stuff again
Deranged Rhino Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 A "scare tactic". Dishonest people make dishonest arguments -- while bragging they don't have values, morals, and would kill a child for enough money. And not making anything up. His own words: 23 hours ago, Crayola64 said: Well, I'd abort fetuses for it. 23 hours ago, Crayola64 said: Not any paycheck DR, a large one. I know you don't understand that concept He's truly an awful person. And he brags about being one.
Numark3 Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: A "scare tactic". Dishonest people make dishonest arguments -- while bragging they don't have values, morals, and would kill a child for enough money. And not making anything up. His own words: He's truly an awful person. And he brags about being one. You already lost his argument before. These bills did not allow abortion after birth.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: You're acting like all Democrats are for late term abortions when it actually had more support in the late 90's. I'm pointing out that the issue of abortion is not completely divided along party lines on this issue. There is a sizable bloc of Republicans (not the majority obviously) who support abortion rights in most instances. There is a smaller (but not insignificant) group of Democrats who oppose abortion rights. These voices aren't heard because of the increasing vigor and power of conservative Christians in the Republican party and women rights activists in the Democratic party. That's led to politicians on both sides to either capitulate to those bases in risk of being primaried or being replaced by somebody who's more in line with their views. That was my only point. I never called you lunatics as fetal tissue research has always been controversial. However, I don't equate a billion dollar industry forced Chinese organ harvesting where they kill people and sell their organs to US women voluntarily making their aborted fetus available to research labs in hope of studying fetal tissue to lead to medical breakthroughs that will save lives. I was speaking from the perspective of the fetus. As for forced organ harvesting, again, the fetus and child aborted at 6, 7 8+ certainly is no less forced to relinquish their skull, liver, heart etc than anyone else in the world. I do agree that the abortion issue is not split down party lines. 12 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: Ohhhhhh, you are a nutjob. As expected. Those shouting the loudest generally crack the quickest. 1
Numark3 Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I was speaking from the perspective of the fetus. As for forced organ harvesting, again, the fetus and child aborted at 6, 7 8+ certainly is no less forced to relinquish their skull, liver, heart etc than anyone else in the world. I do agree that the abortion issue is not split down party lines. As expected. Those shouting the loudest generally crack the quickest. no, because no bill or law permits it. It’s not relevant. There is a clear line between post and pre birth. It’s a very dumb and ignorant argument. i posted in depth explanations previously about why those bills patently don’t permit it. Edited March 22, 2020 by Crayola64
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 14 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: A "scare tactic". Dishonest people make dishonest arguments -- while bragging they don't have values, morals, and would kill a child for enough money. And not making anything up. His own words: He's truly an awful person. And he brags about being one. Just another poser. It happens on these issues.
3rdnlng Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 24 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: why do you refuse to share your line of work, while ridiculing other’s? and take a poll, plenty of people would take a paycheck for things they don’t morally agree with. Great great discovery (that i freely admit lol) I don't refuse to share my line of work for any reason other than it is not germane to this subject. I have freely mentioned my life experiences here when it was pertinent to the subject. You initially made the point of posting here that you were a very successful attorney. Big fvcking deal. When you started acting like a prick attorney then you were widely panned here. Make no mistake about it, I've not ridiculed your line of work per se but you as a person.
Numark3 Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: I don't refuse to share my line of work for any reason other than it is not germane to this subject. I have freely mentioned my life experiences here when it was pertinent to the subject. You initially made the point of posting here that you were a very successful attorney. Big fvcking deal. When you started acting like a prick attorney then you were widely panned here. Make no mistake about it, I've not ridiculed your line of work per se but you as a person. nope, you have done nothing but make up stuff about my job lol. All of it very false. and we both know why you won’t share it. What you do for money is very relevant to someone saying they won’t accept money for anything they don’t morally agree with. Learn what relevancy means idiot.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: no, because no bill or law permits it. It’s not relevant. There is a clear line between post and pre birth. It’s a very dumb and ignorant argument. i posted in depth explanations previously about why those bills patently don’t permit it. Don't get yourself worked up in a lather over previous posts that may or may not deal with these issues. I agree with you that the NY Law allows for late term abortions at will, with doctor's approval. I understand that had your chosen field been medicine, you could have a nice little cottage industry thing going between the late term abortions and sale of the remains of the children you aborted.
Numark3 Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: I don't refuse to share my line of work for any reason other than it is not germane to this subject. I have freely mentioned my life experiences here when it was pertinent to the subject. You initially made the point of posting here that you were a very successful attorney. Big fvcking deal. When you started acting like a prick attorney then you were widely panned here. Make no mistake about it, I've not ridiculed your line of work per se but you as a person. I shared my job one time when the topic was law. Posters like you insulted me and said I must not be successful. So I shared that I was successful. I have never once brought up I was lawyer since with the exception of you obsessing over it and insulting it. Your job is directly relevant to you rambling about not taking paychecks for things you are morally opposed to. So share it clown 1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Don't get yourself worked up in a lather over previous posts that may or may not deal with these issues. I agree with you that the NY Law allows for late term abortions at will, with doctor's approval. I understand that had your chosen field been medicine, you could have a nice little cottage industry thing going between the late term abortions and sale of the remains of the children you aborted. cool, still nothing relevant to killing children after birth. That’s when I stopped answering your questions
3rdnlng Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: nope, you have done nothing but make up stuff about my job lol. All of it very false. and we both know why you won’t share it. What you do for money is very relevant to someone saying they won’t accept money for anything they don’t morally agree with. Learn what relevancy means idiot. As an attorney, I know it's important for you to "win" and that can be the only reason why you are continuing this nonsense. You are floundering badly and just making more and more of a fool of yourself. You've already lost this discussion and you are not helping yourself here.
Numark3 Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: As an attorney, I know it's important for you to "win" and that can be the only reason why you are continuing this nonsense. You are floundering badly and just making more and more of a fool of yourself. You've already lost this discussion and you are not helping yourself here. "I DONT SHARE MY JOB BECAUSE ITS NOT RELEVANT" ...the topic is what you accept to do for paychecks, your job is the most relevant thing. "DERRR U LOST" what is your job, I won't ridicule you like you do. I just want to see if it aligns with your morales
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