DC Tom Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 12 hours ago, njbuff said: My friend, I will never understand the passing of this law and gleeful cheering that went on in Albany when they passed it. It is way above my head as I do not understand it at all. I'm pro-choice, and I don't understand it. Supporting a woman's right to choose is one thing. But celebrating abortion is like...I don't know. Celebrating DWI? 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, DC Tom said: But celebrating abortion is like...I don't know. Celebrating DWI? Would you agree it's a depraved thing to do?
DC Tom Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Would you agree it's a depraved thing to do? Celebrating? Absolutely. 1
boyst Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 12 hours ago, keepthefaith said: Half of the fetuses are woman. How dare you assume their gender.
Koko78 Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 The funny thing is that the people who are celebrating this abortion of a law are the same ones who demand that parents ask infant children for permission before changing dirty diapers.
3rdnlng Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 13 hours ago, row_33 said: I know 3 whose moms were told they had a probable chance of a defect and they were fine, thank goodness their moms didn’t listen to nonsense i also know a half dozen who went through with a known problem and are committed to raising the child, a few with more than one child with needs. A stronger faith and love than I believe I could ever muster up. Have you ever considered that maybe you shouldn't be having sex with all these woman without a rubber?
row_33 Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Have you ever considered that maybe you shouldn't be having sex with all these woman without a rubber? not a one
IDBillzFan Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: Something tells me this new 'abort everything' law is not going to be as widely accepted in NY as the left would like to think. I have a few NY-based left-leaning friends, and they're pretty upset about it. Can anyone from NY tell me; when Cuomo was running, did he promise it as it came out, that they'd be able to slick and suck every baby out of the womb right up to the day of delivery? I mean, was that his campaign?
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 37 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: Something tells me this new 'abort everything' law is not going to be as widely accepted in NY as the left would like to think. I have a few NY-based left-leaning friends, and they're pretty upset about it. Can anyone from NY tell me; when Cuomo was running, did he promise it as it came out, that they'd be able to slick and suck every baby out of the womb right up to the day of delivery? I mean, was that his campaign? NY is a vast wasteland of liberal ideology. I don't recall him using that terminology, but John Gotti spoke in code as well. He was dealing with a number of corruption issues, his right hand man went to jail, there's the ongoing issue with the Buffalo billions and of course the bid rigging trial of his main man at SUNY Poly. But he could be caught on camera robbing a bank and get elected. Btw, one thing that irritates me is the "MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS WOULD NEVER...." crowd. Here's yet another example of an angel of death: https://www.foxnews.com/health/california-nurse-charged-with-illegally-selling-thousands-of-opioid-pills-on-dark-web But maybe this is simply a medical issue best left between her and her patients.
Numark3 Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Btw, one thing that irritates me is the "MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS WOULD NEVER...." crowd. Here's yet another example of an angel of death: https://www.foxnews.com/health/california-nurse-charged-with-illegally-selling-thousands-of-opioid-pills-on-dark-web But maybe this is simply a medical issue best left between her and her patients. It's not that medical professionals would never, its that it is (1) rare and (2) we shouldnt let the possibility of bad apples in professions like doctors, lawyers, cops, etc., impact the laws we make. Do you want me to argue lawyers shouldn't be able to handle client funds because there are instances of them stealing? What about not letting cops have guns because there are examples of corrupt cops. Your logic doesn't hold up. The law provides for something very specific that must occur for a late-term abortion to occur, and we should trust medical professionals to make that determination. There are numerous examples in laws where something is normally prohibited, but we permit doctors and medical professionals to make judgments. You can't pick and choose these laws based on your moral and ethical beliefs of what would happen if a doctor abuses that privilege. Edited January 29, 2019 by Crayola64
boyst Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: It's not that medical professionals would never, its that it is (1) rare and (2) we shouldnt let the possibility of bad apples in professions like doctors, lawyers, cops, etc., impact the laws we make. Do you want me to argue lawyers shouldn't be able to handle client funds because there are instances of them stealing? What about not letting cops have guns because there are examples of corrupt cops. Your logic doesn't hold up. The law provides for something very specific that must occur for a late-term abortion to occur, and we should trust medical professionals to make that determination. There are numerous examples in laws where something is normally prohibited, but we permit doctors and medical professionals to make judgments. You can't pick and choose these laws based on your moral and ethical beliefs of what would happen if a doctor abuses that privilege. Medical professionals are generally idiots. Nurses can be the most stubborn and ill informed medical professionals. Doctors are so specifically trained they can barely put on a bandaid. A doctor won't abuse the system - they'll believe they're doing the right thing. I know plenty of doctors, banged several, too. But, to believe as you do: they're ethical - it's a fairytale.
Numark3 Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Boyst62 said: Medical professionals are generally idiots. Nurses can be the most stubborn and ill informed medical professionals. Doctors are so specifically trained they can barely put on a bandaid. A doctor won't abuse the system - they'll believe they're doing the right thing. I know plenty of doctors, banged several, too. But, to believe as you do: they're ethical - it's a fairytale. ...most people are generally idiots. But we have made distinctions in law across a ton of fields to allow its professionals to make judgments. There is nothing outrageous (you may disagree on religious or moral or philosophical levels or whatever) to abort a late-term fetus that can't survive (exception 1) or a late-term fetus that is a serious health risk (exception 2). Because that's reasonable, I don't have anything against the law. And I don't think "doctors will abuse this or broadly construe this for their beliefs" to be a valid attack on the law--i am okay with the legislature making laws with the assumption that doctors will do their best to follow it. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 38 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: It's not that medical professionals would never, its that it is (1) rare and (2) we shouldnt let the possibility of bad apples in professions like doctors, lawyers, cops, etc., impact the laws we make. Do you want me to argue lawyers shouldn't be able to handle client funds because there are instances of them stealing? What about not letting cops have guns because there are examples of corrupt cops. Your logic doesn't hold up. The law provides for something very specific that must occur for a late-term abortion to occur, and we should trust medical professionals to make that determination. There are numerous examples in laws where something is normally prohibited, but we permit doctors and medical professionals to make judgments. You can't pick and choose these laws based on your moral and ethical beliefs of what would happen if a doctor abuses that privilege. You're turned around here a bit. I was pretty specific in what I said, and it was in response to the people who have said exactly what I said they said. The argument that the law is grotesque because it potentially results in the slaughter of innocents Is a separate argument.
Numark3 Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: You're turned around here a bit. I was pretty specific in what I said, and it was in response to the people who have said exactly what I said they said. The argument that the law is grotesque because it potentially results in the slaughter of innocents Is a separate argument. Well then I agree it can and would happen. But I think its rare and doesn't impact whether or not we should have this law.
IDBillzFan Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 Next Up...Virginia...watch and listen. Legal all the way up to 40 weeks while the woman is dilating. 2
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 1 minute ago, LABillzFan said: Next Up...Virginia...watch and listen. Legal all the way up to 40 weeks while the woman is dilating. Yeah. Muslim nutjobs definitely not as evil as progressives. 1
row_33 Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 23 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Yeah. Muslim nutjobs definitely not as evil as progressives. they are really conservative....
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