fansince88 Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 @metzelaars_lives pay no attention to the negative replies. Thanks for reposting. You nailed it and it was good to see again. 2
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 I thought I wrote this, but apparently it was you. Too bad, I thought I made some salient points. I'm not much on weighing in on draft selections once made, I figure you trust the coaches to pick the guys they want to roll with. I don't look back much, either, as I'm 100% convinced that Tom Brady going to Buffalo does not become, you know, but rather he ends up being the captain on the Maid of the Mist. I'm not saying being the captain in the Maid of the Mist is anything to be ashamed of, quite the contrary, but Tom Brady not in Buffalo is often thought of as, well, you know. My point is I appreciated your perspective as fan who followed him closely. I'm always going to pull for our guys as long as they are our guys, but it seems to me you described him to a T. I looked forward to watching him play because he gave a 100% every play. He showed poise at times, looked like a confused rookie on a bad offense at others, and yes, he missed some guys. When he showed promise though...holy crap that was fun. thanks for the write up the first time, and for remembering to remember to let us all know again.
Royale with Cheese Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 Nice post. BTW...does anyone else wonder if the players read these boards and see all the intimate analysis and research we do on them....they think we’re lunatics? 1
formerlyofCtown Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 7 hours ago, metzelaars_lives said: Hey guys, I couldn't figure out how to re-up an old Josh Allen thread I started from before the draft so I have copy and pasted my original post, verbatim, below. I have bolded some of the things I think I got right. I feel like some of you might remember it. Yeah, it's a 'look at me post'. Enjoy. So I moved to Denver, from Buffalo, in 2002 and almost immediately adopted Wyoming as my college team (pretty much because I think they have the best uniforms in sports). Anyway I have ramped up my fandom in recent years and, at this point, am a pretty diehard fan. In short, I have watched every game Josh Allen has played as a college QB. I have driven up to Laramie to see them/him play four times (three times in 2016 and once last year). Incidentally, they were 3-1 in those games and he played good to great in all of them. The win against Boise State (who was undefeated and ranked in the teens at the time) in 2016 was one of the best football games I've ever attended in my life (the greatest comeback against the Oilers obviously being #1). So this is NOT a Josh Allen excuse thread, nor am I a Josh Allen "fanboy." And full disclosure, I probably have him as the #2 or 3 QB on my board (you can call me a Mayfield fanboy if you want). This is a thread containing FACTS for all the Biff from Tonawandas who think they suddenly know more about football than NFL scouts, analysts, GM's and coaches. Just trying to dispel a lot of disinformation floating around. FACT CHECK: Josh Allen "wasn't good" in college: FALSE The 2016 Wyoming squad was loaded with offensive talent. Literally five of their key offensive players were seniors who played with NFL teams into preseason last year and four are currently on NFL rosters. That being said, it was Josh Allen's first year as a college QB. With all of those guys as juniors the previous season, they went 2-10. With Allen, they ended up 8-6 but were 8-3 before losing a meaningless game against New Mexico and then two nailbiters against San Diego State (MWC Championship game) and BYU (bowl game). He was very good. He went from an unheralded JuCo transfer to a guy being thrown around as the #1 pick in this draft halfway through his first college season. Really ask yourself, Biff, if a guy could do that without being "good." His completion percentage was lower than you might like but he had a propensity, especially in 2016, to throw the ball downfield A LOT. For perspective, Brian Hill (now on the Bengals), played most every down, was second in the nation in rushing that year and is a very elusive back. He had NINE RECEPTIONS ALL SEASON. Ask yourself, if Hill caught 40 balls and Allen's completion percentage was 66% instead of 56% in 2016, would we even be having that conversation? Even with his 56% completion percentage, he was named the 2nd team MWC QB (Brett Rypien, Mark's son, had better numbers, but few would argue Allen wasn't a more impactful player that year) as well as the MWC preseason player of the year going into 2017. Not bad for not being good, huh? FACT CHECK: Josh Allen had no weapons in 2017: TRUE I was on here trying to tell anyone who would listen, prior to the 2017 season, that Josh Allen's numbers would be way down. It's easy for you, Biff, to call that an excuse but here's a little perspective: he lost his top two running backs, his top two receivers, his tight end and his center (again, four of these guys are in the NFL now). Their leading rusher went from a guy who finished 2nd in FBS to a freshman who was LITERALLY converted from a linebacker right before the season started. They struggled a ton on offense in 2017. Allen's numbers did not impress. Anyone who follows Wyoming football could've told you that would be the case. All of their skill position players were unheralded freshmen and sophomores playing their first college football games, save for two guys who played sparingly in 2016 and aren't very good (see: CJ Johnson's drop of a beautiful deep ball for a would-be TD against Iowa in week 1). So when Biff is on here telling you that Josh Allen struggled against Iowa and Oregon, well, no s***. Of course he did. And you know what, as someone who follows the program, his attitude literally could not have been better all last season. Not once did he even come remotely close to making an excuse for his numbers or complaining about the glaring lack of talent around him. Oh yeah, Wyoming was 8-3 with Josh Allen in 2017 and 0-2 without him. Oh yeah part 2, watch his three TD passes from the bowl game against Central Michigan and tell me how many PRO QB's make all three of those throws. FACT CHECK: There is more to Josh Allen than his "strong arm" and "big hands": TRUE Did you know that in addition to having the best arm we've maybe ever seen coming out of college football that Josh Allen is unbelievably strong, elusive, can juke and bowl over defenders, and makes throws on the run and across his body as well as any prospect I've ever seen? Well that happens to be the case. The Cam Newton comparisons are not crazy. Watch his highlights from the first San Diego State game, the UNLV game from 2016- hell, before you go spouting off, watch a freaking highlight tape of the guy. FACT CHECK: The comparisons to JaMarcus Russell are beyond insulting: TRUE Go on youtube.com and watch a video of former teammates talking about JaMarcus Russell skipping meetings, being utterly disengaged, eating copious amounts of s****y food to the point where he weighed in at 300 lbs., etc. Also guessing JaMarcus Russell didn't score a 37 on the wonderlic. Josh Allen is as good of a teammate and leader as you will find in the college football ranks. Will all of this translate into him being a great pro? I don't know. I absolutely see the bust potential. He is still unrefined. He would be best-suited, in my opinion, going to a team like San Diego. He absolutely has a gunslinger mentality. But to all you Biff from Tonawandas out there, so sure of yourselves (God does this remind me of when half the board was mocking Carolina for taking Newton #1), I really, really hope you eat a fistful of crow and that you have the sacks to show up and admit you were wrong. An acceptable stance is, "gee I'm not buying the Allen hype but if an NFL team sees it, I gotta think they know more than I do." That's fair. But the unbelievable levels of ignorance on this board, ie. "I wouldn't take him in the fifth round; I will no longer be a Bills fan if they take him, etc"... dude just give it a rest already. PLEASE. I am so over it. At this point, I am so sick of hearing from the naysayers that I will be rooting for Josh Allen no matter who he gets drafted by, and that includes the Jets. Not the Dolphins though. Go Bills! I had Mayfield 1 and Allen 2. I remember this thread on board from the beginning. Still waiting for Rudolph to get his chance tonprove me right on my 3rd. Darnald is a turnover machine as I said and Rosen so far aint looking so good. Jackson was my number 4 guy He could be elite or have a good 4-5 years if he cant learn a playbook and improve as a passer.
LSHMEAB Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Nice post. BTW...does anyone else wonder if the players read these boards and see all the intimate analysis and research we do on them....they think we’re lunatics? If they're reading a message board to see what the fans think of them, they're in no position to judge our collective sanity.
Royale with Cheese Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: If they're reading a message board to see what the fans think of them, they're in no position to judge our collective sanity. I know I’m a lunatic. 1
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 So what is the point here? To pitch to everyone that Allen is going to work? That he will be our Playoff winning QB? Or is to make the statement that he was good in 2018?
K-9 Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 I remember liking this when it was first posted last year. I like it even better now. Thanks for revisiting this post.
Augie Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: I know I’m a lunatic. That is SO refreshing!
BruceVilanch Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 I was always on the side of taking the risk on a generational talent (arm talent). I fell in love with him as a prospect when I saw him throw (can't remember if it was the combine or pro day).
MJS Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Everyone who posted that it was important for Allen NOT to start his rookie year knew that he would be "learning" behind Peterman, AJ McCarron, etc. Didn't stop them from making the claim though... And I'm convinced that Mahomes would have been rookie of the year last year had he started from day one. It's just something people say and believe. People have this notion that the rookie needs to sit and learn or he'll get screwed up. I think it comes down to how much the franchise is willing to struggle with a rookie. My opinion is that playing is always better than sitting, but some franchises might not be willing to lose a lot of games to wait for a guy to develop and get experience.
LeGOATski Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 I thought there would be a link to an actual thread. I was super negative about Allen, but I'm an optimist at heart.
machine gun kelly Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 Metz. I remember you're original post as well, and was inspired we might have our franchise QB. He certainly made progress after his injury, and wish we would have played him from the start. Not that we would have won the first two games, but the experience is invaluable. You're ok in my book Metz. Try not to pay attn to the negative nellies on the board. I certainly have been criticized enough, but I believe we just agree to disagree. You knew him probably better than anyone on this board as it is not like many of us see Wyoming games on TV unless you're in that market. Anyway, keep them coming and thanks again for sharing.
wppete Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 I can’t remember. What did we trade to TB to move up to #7 to draft Josh Aspen last year??? Anyone remember?
formerlyofCtown Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 14 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Nice post. BTW...does anyone else wonder if the players read these boards and see all the intimate analysis and research we do on them....they think we’re lunatics? As long as they dont see me hidding in their bushes trying to scout off the field stuff they wont be too concerned.? 1
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