LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, billspro said: Are you sure the run D didn’t improve?They had two bad games but were solid outside of that. I have conceded the point. They improved statistically speaking and my initial statement was incorrect. 1
kota Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 Why do people care? Beane said last year after the signing that he is a 1st,2nd down player with sometime on 3rd down to eat up space for others. in the context of what he is asked to do he didn't fall on his face. it was a good signing. The Bills were 2nd on defense. Get over it. 2 1
Rochesterfan Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: What was the average YPA prior to the release of Dareus in 2017? Star is graded poorly by virtually all grading outlets for a reason. If he wasn't on the field for over half the snaps, hard to imagine you can point to him being a difference maker. But I'll give you credit for finding that stat. They were middle of the pack statistically for overall rush defense, but that particular stat is encouraging I suppose. There's no rule against space eaters making plays and Star has declined big time since he first burst on to the NFL scene. I guess my counter would be with Dareus in Jacksonville for the full year was their run defense better or worse than our this year? Did they improve from last year or get worse? Did we improve from last year or get worse? The correct answers are the Bills with Star had a better run defense than Jacksonville with Dareus in both yards per game and average. Additionally the Bills rush defense and overall defense got better with Star versus last year - whereas Jacksonville got worse and that was with Buffalo eating a majority of the Dareus contract. Yes it would be nice to pay Star less, but the contract is not prohibitive to do whatever they want and I believe with the bonuses paid - he is not tied to the team for any length - they can move on as they groom replacements.
GoBills808 Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: It was slightly improved I suppose and you cited a valid stat to rebut my statement. Doesn't sway my opinion that I don't want to pay a space eating DT who never makes plays 10 mil/year. He's a good player on a good defensive unit. You have to overpay for those guys in free agency, it's just the nature of the NFL. He draws double teams consistently. He's quick off the snap. He opens gaps for the LBs and he's consistently strong against the rush. Not flashy but definitely a big part of the defensive line. I have no problem with his salary.
Lurker Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Shaw66 said: I think all of us amateur GMs don't know what we're talking about. Truer words were never spoken...
ComradeKayAdams Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 Another reason why I'm not concerned about Star's contract is that I doubt we even get up to the cap ceiling this year or next. 2
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 3 hours ago, ******* said: Currently DT Star Lotulelei will take up a team-high 5.8% of the #Bills salary cap in 2019 after signing a five-year, $50 million deal with Buffalo last offseason. Despite this, he only played in 46.9% of defensive snaps last season & he played in all 16 games Decent out after 2020 and we have no cap issues so i don't really see this as an issue.
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: This is why I didn’t like the signing and feel it’s outdated thinking (though I love Samoans). He is a one dimensional player that can be schemed off. I’d rather have a couple of DTs, run stuffer and pass rusher, than one Star. He certainly helped with the run defense but he rarely made impact plays. he is good at his role. However, his role just isn’t important anymore. He probably won’t get on the field if we played the Chiefs. Yeah he can be "schemed" around, in other words wont get any pressure or tackles as the Pats did in the last game but that scheming comes at a cost, he on average probably takes 1 1/2 lineman per snap. He many not be worth the money but it is not as dire as some make it out
formerlyofCtown Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I just want some more impact plays for that much money. I feel like a space eater can be found for cheaper. Wrong D position for that. If you want that then look at the 3 Tech. I hope we get a Beast to plug in there. 1
formerlyofCtown Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: It was slightly improved I suppose and you cited a valid stat to rebut my statement. Doesn't sway my opinion that I don't want to pay a space eating DT who never makes plays 10 mil/year. That cost 14-22.5 mil annualy.
SoCal Deek Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 The percentage of snaps that Star played would not be Star's fault. It's the coaching staff that decides who's on the field....and I believe they're the same regime that signed his current deal.
Turk71 Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) Career low of 17 combined tackles, 0 sacks, 0 QB hits. Star has trended downward for the last 3 years. Once again one of the lowest rated dts in the league. Just read a Carolina article about how glad they are to not be on the hook for his $11.5 million 2019 cap hit. https://www.catscratchreader.com/2019/1/15/18183035/which-2017-panthers-players-were-missed-the-most-in-2018-defense-and-special-teams-edition Say what you want about occupying blockers but that's the type of player he's always been, except he used to get in on tackles and pressure the QB a lot more. His role hasn't changed but his numbers keep heading down. I hated this signing, especially the fact the Bills are stuck with this guy for years to come. Edited January 15, 2019 by Turk71
Turk71 Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 Is he the only 'space eating' dt in the league? If not, do the others almost never make plays?
TC in St. Louis Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 I didn't like the signing. $10 million a year seemed ridiculous to me. I still think it's too much for a guy who just stands there and ties up two blockers. New England proved with their game plan that you can double team Star and devise schemes to take out the other people in the front 6 or 7, and they ran right through us. Brady had a terrible game, but the game plan called for them to run all over us. Which they did. Star was taking up two blockers, but the other ones were busy clearing space for the RB's to waltz on through. I hardly ever noticed Star during any of the games. However, the overall defense did finish 2nd in the league. This was while missing rookie Taron Johnson for half the year, and Milano for several games. They had a really good defense this year. Imagine how good they'll be if the offense can do its job and take time off the clock while scoring points. 1
Turk71 Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said: I didn't like the signing. $10 million a year seemed ridiculous to me. I still think it's too much for a guy who just stands there and ties up two blockers. New England proved with their game plan that you can double team Star and devise schemes to take out the other people in the front 6 or 7, and they ran right through us. Brady had a terrible game, but the game plan called for them to run all over us. Which they did. Star was taking up two blockers, but the other ones were busy clearing space for the RB's to waltz on through. I hardly ever noticed Star during any of the games. However, the overall defense did finish 2nd in the league. This was while missing rookie Taron Johnson for half the year, and Milano for several games. They had a really good defense this year. Imagine how good they'll be if the offense can do its job and take time off the clock while scoring points. Awesome #1 pass defense, average run defense and sacks. Need a stud playmaker up front on d. A better offense will definitely help. 1
Bill_with_it Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 7 hours ago, ******* said: Currently DT Star Lotulelei will take up a team-high 5.8% of the #Bills salary cap in 2019 after signing a five-year, $50 million deal with Buffalo last offseason. Despite this, he only played in 46.9% of defensive snaps last season & he played in all 16 games First did Beane bully you as a kid? Frazier, Sean, and Beane have both stated in the past that the goal is to keep the defensive line fresh. Seeing how we were number two in total yards given up per game and number one in passing yards given up I’ll take there stance rather than a message board specialist. 1
LABILLBACKER Posted January 16, 2019 Posted January 16, 2019 Too much money for a part time space eater. Get him in there 60% of the snaps.
Nextmanup Posted January 16, 2019 Posted January 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Too much money for a part time space eater. Get him in there 60% of the snaps. Absolutely. Try to quantify his value in terms of making a difference to the win/loss total. It's hard to do, I admit, but it's probably close to zero.
LABILLBACKER Posted January 16, 2019 Posted January 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: Absolutely. Try to quantify his value in terms of making a difference to the win/loss total. It's hard to do, I admit, but it's probably close to zero. I understand the logic of why McD chose him. The problem is he's not an every down NT in a 3-4. I know you have to spend extra money in fa to land that guy, But with Star they just overshot the contract. I find it hard to believe that Mcd was ever gonna play him the majority of the game. Maybe McD will target Dexter Lawrence?? The Star & KB $ was basically wasted.
MAJBobby Posted January 16, 2019 Posted January 16, 2019 8 hours ago, ******* said: Currently DT Star Lotulelei will take up a team-high 5.8% of the #Bills salary cap in 2019 after signing a five-year, $50 million deal with Buffalo last offseason. Despite this, he only played in 46.9% of defensive snaps last season & he played in all 16 games Such a horrible signing
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