CardinalScotts Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 he is why you saw Milano and Edmunds step forward
Rochesterfan Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Is a teammate going to say their teammate isn’t worth the money? I don’t know ask Bell and Brown in Pittsburgh.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 ACTIVE PLAYERS (49) POS. BASE SALARY SIGNING BONUS ROSTER BONUS OPTION BONUS WORKOUT BONUS RESTRUC. BONUS MISC. DEAD CAP CAP HIT CAP % Star Lotulelei DT $7,150,000 $2,600,000 $1,500,000 - $250,000 - - ($12,400,000) $11,500,000 5.80 Jerry Hughes DE $6,350,000 $1,400,000 $1,000,000 $1,500,000 $150,000 - - ($2,900,000) $10,400,000 5.25 LeSean McCoy RB $6,175,000 $2,625,000 - - $250,000 - - ($2,625,000) $9,050,000 4.57 Charles Clay TE $4,500,000 $2,000,000 - - - $2,500,000 - ($4,500,000) $9,000,000 4.54 Trent Murphy OLB $5,725,000 $1,750,000 $906,250 - $100,000 - - ($3,500,000) $8,481,250 4.28 Micah Hyde SS $3,950,000 $1,600,000 $968,750 - $100,000 - - ($4,800,000) $6,618,750 3.34 Josh Allen QB $570,000 $3,371,461 $872,865 - - - - ($121,846,866) $4,814,326 2.43 Jordan Poyer FS $2,700,000 $875,000 $150,000 - $100,000 - - ($1,750,000) $3,825,000 1.93 Shaq Lawson DE $1,851,679 $1,418,907 - - - - - ($3,270,586) $3,270,586 1.65 Steven Hauschka K $2,000,000 $1,000,000 $250,000 - - - - ($1,000,000) $3,250,000 1.64 Chris Ivory RB $1,500,000 $750,000 $406,250 - $250,000 - - ($750,000) $2,906,250 1.47 Tremaine Edmunds LB $1,055,434 $1,821,735 - - - - - ($10,357,809) $2,877,169 1.45 Russell Bodine C $1,900,000 $500,000 $206,244 - $200,000 - - ($500,000) $2,806,244 1.42 Tre'Davious White CB $1,382,374 $1,369,747 - - - - - ($4,121,869) $2,752,121 1.39 LOL someone screwed up Josh Allen Dead Cap $121,846,866
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: They went from 24th in the league in 2017 defensive YPA to 9th in 2018. No. That idea that the rush defense didn’t improve is incorrect. What was the average YPA prior to the release of Dareus in 2017? Star is graded poorly by virtually all grading outlets for a reason. If he wasn't on the field for over half the snaps, hard to imagine you can point to him being a difference maker. But I'll give you credit for finding that stat. They were middle of the pack statistically for overall rush defense, but that particular stat is encouraging I suppose. There's no rule against space eaters making plays and Star has declined big time since he first burst on to the NFL scene.
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, Logic said: Shaw said it all. You want to know one of the crucial pieces that helped the Bills defense jump to #1 in the league this year? Star Lotulelei. A space-eating DT that commands double teams is absolutely VITAL to the success of McDermott's scheme. If you want to argue that they overpaid for him, fine, but I disagree with that, too. You allocate X amount of money to each position group. Typically, the 3-technique would be the guy making big money amongst the DTs. However, since Kyle is retiring and the Bills don't currently HAVE a 3-technique worth a big payday, they decided to give a bigger chunk of money to Star. I'd expect them to draft a youngster at 3-technique now, and by the time he's ready for a big contract extension, Star's deal will be nearing its end, and Harrison Phillips may step into that full time double-team-commanding 1T role. Aside from that, if you look at how much the salary cap goes up each year and factor in that you often have to overpay a bit in free agency to get good players -- ESPECIALLY in Buffalo -- you realize that Star's contract isn't that far out of whack. It's also better than the contract we were paying Dareus, and Star gives us VASTLY more production. Bottom line: Many fans will likely always take issue with Star's contract because he plays a non-glamorous position. The truth, though, is that said non-glamorous position is critical to the defense's success. If the endorsement of a grizzled veteran like Lorenzo Alexander doesn't change these fans' minds, though, nothing likely will. There were a ton of impact plays, that's the thing. They were being made by the linebackers and safeties that were freed up to run to the ball by Star's commanding of double teams. Impact plays, galore. Then why were they 18th in points allowed and near DFL in red zone defense?
Chris66 Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, ******* said: Currently DT Star Lotulelei will take up a team-high 5.8% of the #Bills salary cap in 2019 after signing a five-year, $50 million deal with Buffalo last offseason. Despite this, he only played in 46.9% of defensive snaps last season & he played in all 16 games That surely didnt help the cap situation
GoBills808 Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: What was the average YPA prior to the release of Dareus in 2017? Star is graded poorly by virtually all grading outlets for a reason. If he wasn't on the field for over half the snaps, hard to imagine you can point to him being a difference maker. But I'll give you credit for finding that stat. They were middle of the pack statistically for overall rush defense, but that particular stat is encouraging I suppose. There's no rule against space eaters making plays and Star has declined big time since he first burst on to the NFL scene. Starting in 2015, the Bills ranked 25th in defensive rush YPA. In 2016 they were 28th. In 2017 (McDermott's first year) they were 24th. Last season they improved to 9th. I'm not giving all the credit to Lotulelei. But to say the rush defense hasn't improved with him coming to the Bills is inaccurate. 1
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, CardinalScotts said: he is why you saw Milano and Edmunds step forward Please. Milano is a playmaker and Edmunds wasn't particularly good. Milano made plays as a rookie and got even better in his second year. I don't know. I guess I like guys who make plays. There is NO other DT in the league getting paid 1 million bucks a tackle with no sacks and no TFL's. It was a bad signing. No big deal. Just do better. Just now, GoBills808 said: Starting in 2015, the Bills ranked 25th in defensive rush YPA. In 2016 they were 28th. In 2017 (McDermott's first year) they were 24th. Last season they improved to 9th. I'm not giving all the credit to Lotulelei. But to say the rush defense hasn't improved with him coming to the Bills is inaccurate. What was the rush defense YPA prior to the release of Dareus in 2017?
Logic Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Then why were they 18th in points allowed and near DFL in red zone defense? It was all Star's fault. OBVIOUSLY.
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Starting in 2015, the Bills ranked 25th in defensive rush YPA. In 2016 they were 28th. In 2017 (McDermott's first year) they were 24th. Last season they improved to 9th. I'm not giving all the credit to Lotulelei. But to say the rush defense hasn't improved with him coming to the Bills is inaccurate. It was slightly improved I suppose and you cited a valid stat to rebut my statement. Doesn't sway my opinion that I don't want to pay a space eating DT who never makes plays 10 mil/year. 1
Logic Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, thurst44 said: The Bills Run D was 29th in 2017 and 16th in 2018, giving up 10 fewer yards per game. shhhhhh. There's no room for facts here when we can use metrics like "the eyeball test" and random conjecture instead! 1
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 Just now, Logic said: It was all Star's fault. OBVIOUSLY. No. It was because they lack elite talent in the front 7. Not all on Star OBVIOUSLY. That's why I'd rather not pay a guy like that 10 mil. Save it for playmakers.
Logic Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: It was slightly improved I suppose and you cited a valid stat to rebut my statement. Doesn't sway my opinion that I don't want to pay a space eating DT who never makes plays 10 mil/year. And this gets to the meat of what you're not understanding: a space eating DT is necessary so that OTHER PLAYERS can make plays. The great years Milano, Hyde, and Poyer had? Guess who was often doing the dirty work in the trenches so that they were free to run to the ball!
LSHMEAB Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Logic said: And this gets to the meat of what you're not understanding: a space eating DT is necessary so that OTHER PLAYERS can make plays. The great years Milano, Hyde, and Poyer had? Guess who was often doing the dirty work in the trenches so that they were free to run to the ball! Nonsense. Poyer and Hyde were outstanding in 2017 and Milano looked great down the stretch. Edit: I want to add that I understand the theory of a space eating DT allowing those around him to make plays. However, a space eater is allowed to make plays(see Ted Washington). I just don't think Star had the kind of impact expected and his PFF grades aligns with the eyeball test. I don't think he's a terrible player; just much rather allocate resources elsewhere. Edited January 15, 2019 by LSHMEAB
TheBeane Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: That percentage looks much worse in the context of our salary cap space. What is the number as a percentage of the total salary cap? these were kind of my thoughts... When was that percentage tabulated? Including dead money? Only current number of salaries on contract? With $80+m under the cap or total salary cap? Lots of unanswered questions about the OP's 5% claim. Amazing thing I learned about statistics in college. You really can make them say any story you wish it to say. On another side, we brought him in to improve our Run D and our run D got better. Better ILB play from our young kid and run D gets even better.
BillsFan1988 Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: It was slightly improved I suppose and you cited a valid stat to rebut my statement. Doesn't sway my opinion that I don't want to pay a space eating DT who never makes plays 10 mil/year. 9 minutes ago, Logic said: shhhhhh. There's no room for facts here when we can use metrics like "the eyeball test" and random conjecture instead! The stat i would like to see is how good was our defense on 3rd or 4th and short. I dont remember us blowing teams up on that play. Espeacilly Star. 1
billsfan_34 Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, teef said: my world is turned completely upside down. Mine too- I may have to crawl into the bottle tonight 13 minutes ago, Logic said: And this gets to the meat of what you're not understanding: a space eating DT is necessary so that OTHER PLAYERS can make plays. The great years Milano, Hyde, and Poyer had? Guess who was often doing the dirty work in the trenches so that they were free to run to the ball! That right there is the truth! 1
blacklabel Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 Everyone overpays in free agency, Buffalo is no exception. In fact they probably have to bump up their offers a bit more than others because Buffalo can be a tough draw for free agents. If you watch the All-22 you see the Lotulelei is doing exactly what they're paying him to do despite not showing up much on the stat sheet. And it's not his fault he's playing 49% of the snaps. McDermott prefers to rotate guys on the DL and that's fine.
ColoradoBills Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, TheBeane said: these were kind of my thoughts... When was that percentage tabulated? Including dead money? Only current number of salaries on contract? With $80+m under the cap or total salary cap? Lots of unanswered questions about the OP's 5% claim. Amazing thing I learned about statistics in college. You really can make them say any story you wish it to say. On another side, we brought him in to improve our Run D and our run D got better. Better ILB play from our young kid and run D gets even better. OP's 5.8% claim is based off of the assumed $189,000,000 2019 Cap with the 9 million 2018 rollover.
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