Rochesterfan Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 36 minutes ago, Bill Murray said: To be fair to the "there is a Carolina pipeline" narrative people, there have been a lot of players with connections: Tolbert Benjamin Star Kaelin Clay Joe Webb Derek Anderson Leonard Johnson Dean Marlowe Newhouse (traded to Carolina from Buffalo) Now i dont think it matters and think Beane and McD are doing a great job, but to say its a false narrative is understating the connection by an equal amount as people saying they only hire Carolina people and its weak. Both sides are far from reality https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article173506866.html https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/8/9/17669920/buffalo-bills-are-loaded-with-former-carolina-panthers-sean-mcdermott-brandon-beane-kelvin-benjamin https://www.catscratchreader.com/2018/3/30/17177796/are-the-nfl-carolina-panthers-buffalo-bills-in-a-committed-long-term-relationship http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24796233/marshall-newhouse-traded-carolina-panthers-buffalo-bills Well to be fair if you go through the current Bills roster on NFL.com the pipeline looks to be Baltimore, Chicago, and Miami as each team is connected to 5 players on the current Bills roster. Next up would be Arizona and Philadelphia with 4 and then a group of 7 teams including Carolina with 3 players on the current roster. I understand early on they brought in several Carolina players like Tolbert to fill holes and establish what McDermott wanted, but none of those guys are really left. It is down to 2 back-ups/ non-factors in Marlowe and Anderson, and Star as a rotational player/filler. It does help that Beane and McDermott have a good relationship with Carolina, but the roster, coaching staff, and FO is not filled with guys from Carolina - it is a limited group that have any connections at all. 3
TigerJ Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 The challenge for special teams recently has been the profound chan ges in thr rules. This is especially true for kickoffs. Rules changes affect both the kicking and the receivi9ng teams. It may be that one of Danny Crossman's major shortcomings was his inability to adapt well to the rules changes. I think mybe in this case it is an advantage to hire a guy who is fairly new to the coaching ranks as he might not be dragged down by attachments to old concepts as Crossman seemed to be. I don't care whether or not he's from Carolina. 3
Seventeen Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 50 minutes ago, dneveu said: None of this matters if we don't upgrade Kicker and Punter. 6 misses from beyond 40 isn't exactly hausch money imo. And we had the worst group of punters in the NFL. Gotta think Hausch wasn't 100% on a few of those kicks. 2
Ittakestime Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Looper said: Gotta think Hausch wasn't 100% on a few of those kicks. What was his excuse when he was doing that in Seattle to get him cut? In Seattle he was putting kicks so short from manageable distances.
K-9 Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Bill Murray said: To be fair to the "there is a Carolina pipeline" narrative people, there have been a lot of players with connections: Tolbert Benjamin Star Kaelin Clay Joe Webb Derek Anderson Leonard Johnson Dean Marlowe Newhouse (traded to Carolina from Buffalo) Now i dont think it matters and think Beane and McD are doing a great job, but to say its a false narrative is understating the connection by an equal amount as people saying they only hire Carolina people and its weak. Both sides are far from reality That is fair to the “Carolina connection narrative” people. What’s not fair, is those people applying that same narrative to the hiring of Heath Farwell. 1
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: What was his excuse when he was doing that in Seattle to get him cut? In Seattle he was putting kicks so short from manageable distances. You really do just have no idea what you are talking about. 1
Seventeen Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: What was his excuse when he was doing that in Seattle to get him cut? In Seattle he was putting kicks so short from manageable distances. I thought the Seahawks didn't resign him as a FA to save $ - but he wasn't the same after the Jets game. Edited January 15, 2019 by Looper 2 1
Coach Tuesday Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 But is he the best-looking special teams coach in the league? That’s what’s most important. 1
Rochesterfan Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: But is he the best-looking special teams coach in the league? That’s what’s most important. Where’s @Gugny and his poll - about this? We need to know. LOL ? or maybe the Gase eyes ?. Edited January 15, 2019 by Rochesterfan
aceman_16 Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: .... and his package. WTF we took some dude's package? What a d$#k!
Jobot Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: What was his excuse when he was doing that in Seattle to get him cut? In Seattle he was putting kicks so short from manageable distances. What were his stats pre and post injury this year?
dickleyjones Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: So you would run this based on optics only - interesting. optics make the best teams. 1
WideNine Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mat68 said: I was thinking about something to say vs all the assumed Carolina connection. But I know nothing about the guy and who here really knows anything in regards to who is a good position coach? Special Teams is not a position coach, but I get your point. I find it odd how so many folks get their undies in a twist from simply asking why this guy? You can look at the rankings of the Special Teams established coaches who have coached over the years... From there you can see if their ST's suck more often than they are competitive. There is nothing to review for this hire as this would be his first gig as a ST coach (was an assistant his one year with the Panthers). Everyone has got to start somewhere. Edited January 15, 2019 by WideNine
Nextmanup Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 The way McBeane love to hire people they already know from Carolina appears sophomoric. I have no idea if this guy is any good; I guess we'll find out.
eball Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: The way McBeane love to hire people they already know from Carolina appears sophomoric. I have no idea if this guy is any good; I guess we'll find out. Except when they don't. 1
SDS Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: The way McBeane love to hire people they already know from Carolina appears sophomoric. I have no idea if this guy is any good; I guess we'll find out. Please provide the FULL list of personnel they hired from Carolina. 4
IDBillzFan Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, eball said: Except when they don't. Oh, great. So now he's hiring people he didn't know in Carolina? Man, I tell ya what, I am so tired of gurgle schmurgle McClappy process gurgle and his Mahomes snufflufugus yakakaha umph ....but whatevs, I'm like totes done with this team.... Edited January 15, 2019 by LABillzFan 2 2 2
YoloinOhio Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: The way McBeane love to hire people they already know from Carolina appears sophomoric. I have no idea if this guy is any good; I guess we'll find out. They didn’t know him from Carolina, fam. Keep up.
Nextmanup Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, SDS said: Please provide the FULL list of personnel they hired from Carolina. Let's see, off the top of my head: McDermott Beane Star Lotulelei Kelvin Benjamin Kaelin Clay Dean Marlowe EDIT: And now Farwell. 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They didn’t know him from Carolina, fam. Keep up. You think it's pure coincidence about the connection to Carolina? McDermott is doing what he does best: calling his old buddies to get recommendations or vetting a prospect and then going with what he knows and trusts. Is this guy the best candidate available? Or he is the best one available who McD could discuss with personnel in Carolina? Edited January 15, 2019 by Nextmanup 1
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, RiotAct said: I’D be an upgrade over Danny. I have little doubt!
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