Buffalo86 Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: I’ll never understand that decision. Time was no longer a factor and the Eagles were set up in prime territory. Settle things down and think about it at the two minute warning. You don’t want to have to defend a potential 1 point lead for very long vs Brees . So freaking dumb Totally agree. The less time left for Brees, the better. That pass should've been caught, but IMO the play never should've happened in the first place.
Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Pretty sure I just calculated they are 3-4 on the road in the playoffs (something like 15-2 at home). Amazing how many games they've played in Foxboro. Yep. The playing in the AFC Least has given them a very cushy path most years.
MJS Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 35 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Yep. The playing in the AFC Least has given them a very cushy path most years. That's bull. The Pats dominate everyone. It would have made no difference what division they were in.
Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 1 minute ago, MJS said: That's bull. The Pats dominate everyone. It would have made no difference what division they were in. Odds are they wouldn’t have ended up with home field all the time. 6 games a year vs teams without a good QB will do that. Odds are being in a different division would have left them with a more difficult road at least some of the time. To think otherwise , that it had no impact is presumptuous and statistical folly. They don’t go undefeated every year, so some stiffer competition that has existed in other divisions would matter. Often they’ve been the 1 seed by virtue of a single win or a tiebreaker. That’s life in the afc least.
MJS Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 Just now, Boatdrinks said: Odds are they wouldn’t have ended up with home field all the time. 6 games a year vs teams without a good QB will do that. Odds are being in a different division would have left them with a more difficult road at least some of the time. To think otherwise , that it had no impact is presumptuous and statistical folly. They don’t go undefeated every year, so some stiffer competition that has existed in other divisions would matter. Often they’ve been the 1 seed by virtue of a single win or a tiebreaker. That’s life in the afc least. The impact would have been on the other three teams in the division, not on the Pats.
Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 Just now, MJS said: The impact would have been on the other three teams in the division, not on the Pats. Okay, sure. They never lose games vs teams with good QBs. If they were in a more difficult division they would likely not have home field virtually every year. It’s simple as that. 6 almost guaranteed wins ( except for a weird thing with losing at MIA around 40% of the time ) from very weak division play has made a difference.
Nextmanup Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Okay, sure. They never lose games vs teams with good QBs. If they were in a more difficult division they would likely not have home field virtually every year. It’s simple as that. 6 almost guaranteed wins ( except for a weird thing with losing at MIA around 40% of the time ) from very weak division play has made a difference. Why not throw out their AFC East games the last 5 or 10 years and see what their record is in all remaining regular season games? I bet it's still pretty damned good.
Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 Just now, Nextmanup said: Why not throw out their AFC East games the last 5 or 10 years and see what their record is in all remaining regular season games? I bet it's still pretty damned good. Not saying it isn’t . Just that they have an easier path to the 1 seed than most. It’s not exactly some great revelation. There have been much better teams with a lot better QB play in other divisions. The difference between a bye week or no bye week has often been a single win or a head to head win vs another playoff team that happened to be played at NE. They’ve lost their last 3 road title games. It matters and it’s often secured by a narrow margin. A weak division is a great help to being home in the playoffs. 1
Aussie Joe Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Not saying it isn’t . Just that they have an easier path to the 1 seed than most. It’s not exactly some great revelation. There have been much better teams with a lot better QB play in other divisions. The difference between a bye week or no bye week has often been a single win or a head to head win vs another playoff team that happened to be played at NE. They’ve lost their last 3 road title games. It matters and it’s often secured by a narrow margin. A weak division is a great help to being home in the playoffs. They are 7-2 against the Steelers since 2007... They dominate most teams even the 2nd best AFC team in that period.. Edited January 14, 2019 by Aussie Joe
Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 Just now, Aussie Joe said: They are 7-2 against the Steelers since 2007... They dominate most teams have a worse record against the Dolphins.. Nice cherry pick there with the Steelers. However they lost to them this season and a bogus rule interpration was the only reason they didn’t lose last year’s matchup. Curiously, both games were away. The oddity vs the perpetually mediocre Dolphins defies explanation. That aside there have been stronger teams in other divisions throughout Brady’s career, even Super Bowl winners like the Ravens and Broncos. The afc east has been a terrible division for twenty years and offered little resistance to the Pats cushy home field playoff path.
Aussie Joe Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Nice cherry pick there with the Steelers. However they lost to them this season and a bogus rule interpration was the only reason they didn’t lose last year’s matchup. Curiously, both games were away. The oddity vs the perpetually mediocre Dolphins defies explanation. That aside there have been stronger teams in other divisions throughout Brady’s career, even Super Bowl winners like the Ravens and Broncos. The afc east has been a terrible division for twenty years and offered little resistance to the Pats cushy home field playoff path. So what is the record against the Broncos and Ravens? I picked the Steelers in the genuine belief they have been the 2nd most consistent team in the AFC over the Brady era.. Edited January 14, 2019 by Aussie Joe
Aussie Joe Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Nice cherry pick there with the Steelers. However they lost to them this season and a bogus rule interpration was the only reason they didn’t lose last year’s matchup. Curiously, both games were away. The oddity vs the perpetually mediocre Dolphins defies explanation. That aside there have been stronger teams in other divisions throughout Brady’s career, even Super Bowl winners like the Ravens and Broncos. The afc east has been a terrible division for twenty years and offered little resistance to the Pats cushy home field playoff path. I checked the record.. 8-3 against the Ravens 9-7 against the Broncos..7-3 since 2011 Edited January 14, 2019 by Aussie Joe
Boatdrinks Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I checked the record.. 8-3 against the Ravens 9-7 against the Broncos..7-3 since 2011 Doesnt prove anything as we don’t know where the games were played . Division games tend to be closer than others due to familiarity and teams “ building” themselves to stop another opponent. The AFC east has had terrible QB play throughout Brady’s career. A different division would likely have changed the playoff seeding some of the time. It’s not really hard to envision. A win here or there has ensured a bye week most of the time. The Bills have beaten Brady exactly twice in games that NE tried to win. The Jets probably haven’t done a ton better. That’s a lot of easy wins a season.
Aussie Joe Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Doesnt prove anything as we don’t know where the games were played . Division games tend to be closer than others due to familiarity and teams “ building” themselves to stop another opponent. The AFC east has had terrible QB play throughout Brady’s career. A different division would likely have changed the playoff seeding some of the time. It’s not really hard to envision. A win here or there has ensured a bye week most of the time. The Bills have beaten Brady exactly twice in games that NE tried to win. The Jets probably haven’t done a ton better. That’s a lot of easy wins a season. It proves plenty as I have shown they get easy wins against most other AFC teams..even the other good AFC teams over the Brady era..
Big C Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: Why not throw out their AFC East games the last 5 or 10 years and see what their record is in all remaining regular season games? I bet it's still pretty damned good. I mean, all we have to do is look at the smackdown they gave a Chargers team that had a better record than them with a harder schedule. They play good football.
MJS Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: Not saying it isn’t . Just that they have an easier path to the 1 seed than most. It’s not exactly some great revelation. There have been much better teams with a lot better QB play in other divisions. The difference between a bye week or no bye week has often been a single win or a head to head win vs another playoff team that happened to be played at NE. They’ve lost their last 3 road title games. It matters and it’s often secured by a narrow margin. A weak division is a great help to being home in the playoffs. The Pats usually have a loss or two each year from AFC East opponents. I would bet that when you compare the losses for the Pats over the last couple decades that a higher percentage of those losses came from within the division, especially considering that only 6 of the 16 games are division games. Also, over the last few years the AFC East has had a combined winning percentage that is one of the highest in the league, with or without the Pats wins and losses factored in. The AFC East is different than other divisions in only 1 way: it has the New England Patriots.
MJS Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I checked the record.. 8-3 against the Ravens 9-7 against the Broncos..7-3 since 2011 And during the Chargers game they explained that there wasn't a single AFC QB left in the playoffs that had EVER won a game (even in the regular season) against Brady. Rivers is now 0 for 8 against Brady and the Patriots. He's an elite QB that has never won a game against Brady. Just crazy. So no, I think this is all illustrating how dominant the Patriots have been, and their AFC East opponents have nothing to do with it. Seems like the only QB's who ever had any moderate success against Brady have the last name of Manning. Edited January 14, 2019 by MJS 1
GunnerBill Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Okay, sure. They never lose games vs teams with good QBs. If they were in a more difficult division they would likely not have home field virtually every year. It’s simple as that. 6 almost guaranteed wins ( except for a weird thing with losing at MIA around 40% of the time ) from very weak division play has made a difference. They lose to Miami at a higher rate than they lose to Pittsburgh. They are now 9-0 I believe against Rivers. Sure if they were in the same division as Peyton Manning it would have been interesting each year as to who got the #1 seed.... but other than Manning, Ben and Rivers which other AFC teams have had franchise QBs in the last 15 years? They have been fortunate to reside in the AFCE..... but let's be honest they have been fortunate to reside in the AFC full stop. I don't think the record would be that different had they been in any AFC division.
apuszczalowski Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 6 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Doesnt prove anything as we don’t know where the games were played . Division games tend to be closer than others due to familiarity and teams “ building” themselves to stop another opponent. The AFC east has had terrible QB play throughout Brady’s career. A different division would likely have changed the playoff seeding some of the time. It’s not really hard to envision. A win here or there has ensured a bye week most of the time. The Bills have beaten Brady exactly twice in games that NE tried to win. The Jets probably haven’t done a ton better. That’s a lot of easy wins a season. So what you are saying is you can prove that Brady and the Pat's are getting an advantage because they get to face the other AFC East teams each year multiple times because you cant prove that other teams wouldn't also struggle against them even though records show they have pretty much beaten everyone? If they played in the AFC North this whole time they would have gotten 2 easy wins a year playing the Browns, in the West they would get the Raiders twice a year, the South they get the Jags, all times with similar or worse 2 decade spans as the Bill's. They have been dominant against almost every team in the league with Brady and BB. Bigger question to be asked would be whether the other AFC East teams would have had better records if they didnt have NE in their division......
Iron Maiden Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 NE's winning % is practically identical inside the division vs the rest of the league....they win roughly 75% of their games against the entire NFL....they dominate everyone...except Denver in Denver , Miami in Miami and Baltimore........Brady has a winning record vs all teams except the Broncos....I think they would be dominant in any division..... 1
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