RocCityRoller Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Im not against investing in the O-line. If you read my other posts on this topic you would realize you just made that up. Dont blow a top 10 pick on o-line over a playmaker. Pretty simple. Colts top O-line got lit up immediately and all day by what everyone was describing as a bad KC D. Luck was helpless behind that line. Allen played well after he returned from injury (ANY O-line is going to allow a hit like that on their QB at some point) behind that same o-line. Free agents and 2nd or 3rd round is where the value is. And get a new RB. your post was taken out of context then, thanks for clarifying. We agree in a lot of regards. Id rather see as pass catcher/ pass rusher or mountain DT in the first too, but if a great OL prospect is there then get him. That may not be the case this year 1
BillsFan130 Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said: Was it only the offensive schemes or could it have been equally the significant added talent around him and him having learned from his rookie year? I think it all matters, including the scheme, the talent and the experience that Goff has gained. Having Todd Gurley in the backfield certainly helps a lot as well as the receivers he is working with. Both IMO. Mcvay would get the rams offence to line up fast so he can scan the defence and then relay it to Jared Goff. This is before the head sets turned off at 15 seconds. Brilliant coaching and he seems to always put his offence in a position to succeed
Doc Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 You can find good players in any round. Historically though 1st round OL have the highest success rate at 83%. 1
Prickly Pete Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Also the Cowboys are the team with all of those highly touted and drafted players (though Frederick is out) and they got their asses handed to them. And just last week there was endless praise heaped on the Colts O-line, and this week the Colts' lack of playmakers was obvious ( I can't recall any big plays made after a catch by any of the Colt receivers). I bet Luck would swap one of those lineman for Tyreek Hill.... The Bills need to add more talent to the offense at a bunch of positions. Just get better players, regardless of position, and things will come together. Edited January 13, 2019 by OJ Tom 2
hemma Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 Look through the list of FAs on Spotrac and Beane could probably fix the OL just from FAs, but he’d need to be willing to spend and brace for whining about ‘overspending’. I’d be ok with overspend. Just get the OL mess behind us and move forward, quickly. 1
Doc Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 Was the Colts' problem more OL or lack of playmakers? Looked like the OL couldn't block anything, rendering playmakers moot.
Prickly Pete Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Doc said: Was the Colts' problem more OL or lack of playmakers? Looked like the OL couldn't block anything, rendering playmakers moot. Gee things changed awful quick then. Remind me of some nice plays made by a receiver after a catch? I can't recall any. They just aren't a dynamic bunch.
Doc Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, OJ Tom said: Gee things changed awful quick then. Remind me of some nice plays made by a receiver after a catch? I can't recall any. They just aren't a dynamic bunch. Nothing changed. The Colts' OL was over-matched from the get-go. No running game, no time for players to get open and Luck was throwing passes into the dirt all night.
Prickly Pete Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Doc said: Nothing changed. The Colts' OL was over-matched from the get-go. No running game, no time for players to get open and Luck was throwing passes into the dirt all night. Just last week this board was abuzz with O-line envy for the Colts! When the wrs did catch a pass, none of them made anything happen. They arent dynamic players.
Doc Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, OJ Tom said: Just last week this board was abuzz with O-line envy for the Colts! When the wrs did catch a pass, none of them made anything happen. They arent dynamic players. And yet last weekend they did.
Mr. WEO Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, Doc said: You can find good players in any round. Historically though 1st round OL have the highest success rate at 83%. Success at what. Was Joe Thomas a success for the Browns? Their O line was bad his whole career. What was the point? 19 minutes ago, Doc said: Was the Colts' problem more OL or lack of playmakers? Looked like the OL couldn't block anything, rendering playmakers moot. L-line full of studs though, no?
Doc Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Success at what. Was Joe Thomas a success for the Browns? Their O line was bad his whole career. What was the point? Obviously Joe Thomas was a success. Is this even a serious question? 1
Mr. WEO Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Obviously Joe Thomas was a success. Is this even a serious question? What did he do for the Browns offense (say, over AP)? if they instead picked the worst LT in the draft, what would have been the difference Edited January 13, 2019 by Mr. WEO
Prickly Pete Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Doc said: And yet last weekend they did. So is the Colts O-line good or bad, cuz there's 8 pages of their balls being washed from just last week.... I think an offense with an exceptional O-line, but average to below-average playmakers works best when you can get a lead, and work methodically. In a shootout, or coming from behind, you need dynamic playmakers. Obviously, a team wants to be good all-around. So get the best players you can, as they become available. There aren't great prospects for WR or O-line at the top of this draft. I would be happy with either position, but mostly I want the guy that will be better at his position. Edited January 13, 2019 by OJ Tom
Royale with Cheese Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: I like how you pretend to know what point of attack means. Its the pointy part of the attack.
Augie Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 7 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: You just need to find the right guys. Some of those guys are journeymen, second round picks, 7th rounders etc. the lone top ten player is Eric Fisher and he's probably the worst of the bunch. Also the Chiefs have a good amount of functional depth and overcame a few injuries this year. Find the right guys to gel for you. You don't have to use premium assets like top ten picks. And find functional depth. That has to be mission numero uno this off season. Someone, somewhere posted the top FA OL guys and how they came into the league. It was all across the board! The 6th round had as many guys as the 2nd. It was very interesting. 1
Doc Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: What did he do for the Browns offense (say, over AP)? if they instead picked the worst LT in the draft, what would have been the difference Just because the Browns were inept in adding talent to their team elsewhere doesn't make the Thomas pick a bad one. I doubt if AP had been picked by them that he would've been worth much. 1 hour ago, OJ Tom said: So is the Colts O-line good or bad, cuz there's 8 pages of their balls being washed from just last week.... I think an offense with an exceptional O-line, but average to below-average playmakers works best when you can get a lead, and work methodically. In a shootout, or coming from behind, you need dynamic playmakers. Obviously, a team wants to be good all-around. So get the best players you can, as they become available. There aren't great prospects for WR or O-line at the top of this draft. I would be happy with either position, but mostly I want the guy that will be better at his position. The OL is good but had a bad game.
Mr. WEO Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Doc said: Just because the Browns were inept in adding talent to their team elsewhere doesn't make the Thomas pick a bad one. I doubt if AP had been picked by them that he would've been worth much. The OL is good but had a bad game. They would have gone a lot further to “adding talent” by picking the greatest RB in 25 years....who is still racking up the yards even on a crappy team. He’s not the kind of RB that apparently will need a police escort to get past the line of scrimmage.. Edited January 13, 2019 by Mr. WEO 1
Doc Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 48 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: They would have gone a lot further to “adding talent” by picking the greatest RB in 25 years....who is still racking up the yards even on a crappy team. He’s not the kind of RB that apparently will need a police escort to get past the line of scrimmage.. He needs people to block for him. And other players on offense. Do you think the Browns would’ve provided that for him? I think that answer is obvious.
Mr. WEO Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 He doesn’t need a Joe Thomas to block for him. That’s obvious..and to the point.
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