Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) Just now, Doc Brown said: I forgot they did away with the franchise tag. Pithy. And when that ran out? The dude wanted to be in LA. Edited January 13, 2019 by Joe in Winslow 1
Doc Brown Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Pithy. And when that ran out? The dude wanted to be in LA. I was being sarcastic with the franchise tag. The problem with Tyrod is we couldn't get a good gauge of our WR's and we paid the price in not aggressively trying to resign Woods because we didn't think he was worth the money.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 44 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I was being sarcastic with the franchise tag. The problem with Tyrod is we couldn't get a good gauge of our WR's and we paid the price in not aggressively trying to resign Woods because we didn't think he was worth the money. Ok muh bad. Sarcasmometer obviously not functioning.
BillyWhiteShows Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Mahomes wouldn't have to had become the best player in the NFL to justify having selected him over trading that pick. It was time to select a QB..........but for some reason McD and the Pegulas were dickin' around with this little game of holding up Whaley and his scouts at the expense of not officially hiring Beane outright to be GM when they inked McDermott. In honor of Doug Whaley we can call that period "GM purgatory"............a bizarre and highly unusual period without the future GM in place that left McD non-committal about such a big decision as the QB of the future. And as it turns out.........that opportunity to select Mahomes might have been the best opportunity to improve their fortunes that the franchise has had in decades....................so it was a real bad time to be inexcusably unprepared. I really like Josh Allen...........hopefully he becomes great and the Bills organization builds a great roster around him and coach that roster up. A big part of not selecting a QB in 2017 was the Pegula’s fault. McDermott is a defensive guy so it’s no surprise he elected to trade down. A big part of the problem was Whaley. He should have been fired in January and many have speculated that Terry and Kim kept him around until after the draft because of their friendship with him. If you bring a real GM in here in January then maybe they do a number of different things . Even if Whaley was a true GM, many have said he loved Mitch Trubisky and likely would have tried to do whatever it took to get him. Also, like people have already said, if it was known that Mahomes would develop into the QB that he looks to have become he’s go #1 overall. It’s so easy to look at things in hindsight, for some really it happens all the time with the Bills fans. It just doesn’t seem like the Jaguars, Jets, or Browns (Who also passed in the 2017 draft) fans pine for Mahomes the way some Bills fans do. Edited January 13, 2019 by BillyWhiteShows
formerlyofCtown Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, KD in CA said: Six disappointing years into his career it's time to face the reality that the draft ratings were -- brace yourself -- wrong, and it's time to put away this false narrative that is based on nothing but his college highlights. He isn't anywhere near as talented as Evans, Beckham or Cooks. Has he struggled with foot injuries. Are you capable of looking at anything other than stats. I dont think you are. Youre an average fan, the same reason why no one from our defense was voted to the probowl. Because the average fan knows nothing about football other than where to find stats. That can be a good measure sometimes but not always. Edited January 13, 2019 by formerlyofCtown 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Has he struggled with foot injuries. Are you capable of looking at anything other than stats. I dont think you are. Youre an average fan, the same reason why no one from our defense was voted to the probowl. Because the average fan knows nothing about football other than where to find stats. Thats can be a good measure sometimes but not always. Every Bills fan knows exactly what Sammy Watkins is: An over-paid, under-performing, often-injured AVERAGE WR.
formerlyofCtown Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Every Bills fan knows exactly what Sammy Watkins is: An over-paid, under-performing, often-injured AVERAGE WR. Welcome to the you have no credibility club. If you want to talk injuries you would be correct. But if youre saying he doesnt have the talent the you youre ignorant and not worth my time. Go back to your fantasy football. ?The childrens table is that way.➡️ Edited January 13, 2019 by formerlyofCtown 1 1
dgrochester55 Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) Watkins is an above average but not great receiver who is injury prone. I wouldn't go as far as calling Watkins a bust, but any top 5 pick that isn't a franchise player has had a disappointing career on some level. Had Watkins been a 2nd or 3rd rounder, no one would be looking down on his career, but as a top five pick who cost a team an extra first rounder, the production was not as expected. At least Watkins got into the game unlike our highly motivated friend Kelvin Benjamin who was a healthy scratch yesterday. Edited January 13, 2019 by dgrochester55
Magox Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Watkins two best seasons were here. His best was with Orton as the QB. Hogan's numbers his four years with the Patriots were similar to the previous two seasons he played here. Granted he didn't have Tyrod as a quarterback. Woods put up numbers here with Tyrod that suggested he'd perform better in a more pass happy offense with a better quarterback. Letting him go was a mistake. Trading Watkins was the right move but letting Woods go was the mistake. 3
formerlyofCtown Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: And yet, still better than any receiver we have. Still has more talent than most of the WRs in the league. Hopefully some day he gets the foot healed up. I have heard that sometimes it never fully recovers, whether thats true or not I dont know.
formerlyofCtown Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Every Bills fan knows exactly what Sammy Watkins is: An over-paid, under-performing, often-injured AVERAGE WR. While reading your Replies I thought to myself how do I not have this troll blocked. Then I checked and you are one of the very first Trolls I blocked. Somehow the post box got unchecked anyway troll away. Edited January 13, 2019 by formerlyofCtown
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Magox said: Trading Watkins was the right move but letting Woods go was the mistake. Again, for the historically challenged: WOODS WAS NOT LET GO. HE WAS NOT TRADED. HE WAS NOT CUT. HE LEFT IN FA. 2 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: While reading your Replies I thought to myself how do I not have this troll blocked. Then I checked and you are the very first Troll I blocked. Somehow the post box got unchecked anyway troll away. I'll always tell the truth about Watkins, whether or not you like it, Mrs. Watkins.
NoSaint Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Again, for the historically challenged: WOODS WAS NOT LET GO. HE WAS NOT TRADED. HE WAS NOT CUT. HE LEFT IN FA. If we didn’t actively try to keep him it’s really semantics whether he was let go or left. If we didn’t offer him anything meaningful I’d even say you are making a point that could be detrimental to the discussion though technically correct.
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, NoSaint said: If we didn’t actively try to keep him it’s really semantics whether he was let go or left. If we didn’t offer him anything meaningful I’d even say you are making a point that could be detrimental to the discussion though technically correct. Yes we could have tagged him, no GM at that point in his career was going to pay the outrageous money that would have entailed
Steptide Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: lol @ arguing over Sammy Watkins. I know right, who even cares. He's played for 3 teams, 2 of them with good qbs, and he's still not that good. 1
34-78-83 Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 this thread is kinda meh, but it was good to see Sammy contribute out there yesterday for once.
Magox Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 39 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Again, for the historically challenged: WOODS WAS NOT LET GO. HE WAS NOT TRADED. HE WAS NOT CUT. HE LEFT IN FA. I'll always tell the truth about Watkins, whether or not you like it, Mrs. Watkins. Joe, semantics. When I say let go I mean not retained.
BillyWhiteShows Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said: this thread is kinda meh, but it was good to see Sammy contribute out there yesterday for once. Like when he fumbled?
Gugny Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 I was never a big Sam fan and was happy to see him go. Sam has the ability to be a top 5 WR in the league. Sam's attitude and ego will always keep him from reaching his potential. He's a selfish player who has no concept of team. And that attitude and ego has absolutely made him an average WR. I opined, during their entire tenure spent in Buffalo together, that Bob Woods was the better receiver. I stand by that assertment today. Of all the departures under the Beane watch, whether via trade, retirement or FA, Bob Woods' departure hurt me the most. 2
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