RyanC883 Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Would the Bills have the 2nd best defense without White or Edmunds(who we got because of trading away pick 10 in 2017) though? great point. No, we don't have the 2nd best D without Edmunds or White!
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He could. But also completed 52% of his passes (I know it was not his fault) after completing 56% in college (obviously not his fault either) and had a 66 qb rating. He could very well turn out to be special. But every other fanbase but ours would laugh at that trade. Our head coach is the GM. He hired Beane. He will get the final say. That's ridiculous. Man you guys pull things out of your ass on the daily. 1 1
Freddie's Dead Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Okay, and if the Bills would not have drafted Mahomes there? Who knows? Armageddon, cats and dogs, living together!!
The_Dude Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Southern Bills Fan said: If the Bills had evaluated Mahomes and thought he could end up looking anything like the guy who has ripped apart the NFL this season, they obviously would have taken him with their first-round pick. Instead, they sent the 10th selection to the Chiefs for the 27th and 91st selections, along with Kansas City's 2018 first-round pick, which ended up as the 22nd pick. The Bills drafted star cornerback Tre'Davious White with Kansas City's 2017 first-rounder, and then used the other two picks in trades that eventually netted them Zay Jones and Tremaine Edmunds. Sean McDermott undoubtedly loves his two defensive building blocks, and the Bills believe that Josh Allen, their other first-rounder in 2018, can turn into a viable starter, but they would undoubtedly trade all three for Mahomes in a heartbeat. I don't think that I would. Thoughts? BTW the article crushes the Bills over Gilmore as well. If I were given that deal and I had 1 hour to decide I'd do it. I'd trade all 3 for Mahomes. Yes. Dude makes no-look passes for cryin out loud.
TigerJ Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 2 hours ago, whatdrought said: Really depends on how Allen turns out. Right now that’s probably worth the trade, but if Allen is next years Mahomes, it’ll be a whole new story. That's what makes it a difficult question. Whether or not Josh Allen ever logs 5,000 yards of passing in a single season, he could still be really good, and yet Mahomes in much better at this moment. Not trading is a gamble on the development of all three Bills players, but especially Allen.
row_33 Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, TigerJ said: That's what makes it a difficult question. Whether or not Josh Allen ever logs 5,000 yards of passing in a single season, he could still be really good, and yet Mahomes in much better at this moment. Not trading is a gamble on the development of all three Bills players, but especially Allen. will give a better answer in 2023
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Trogdor said: You should probably pick a side and stick to it. Either McD missed or Whaley missed. I personally think Mahomes, Darby, Edmunds > Allen, White, and Edmunds. Even better would be Glenn in there. Not what i was trying to say - Im saying a lameduck GM isn't making the call. It would be McD. And i don't think he fancies himself a QB evaluator, especially when he only saw him at a pro day/combine. But appreciate the sass for no reason.
RocCityRoller Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 it seems pretty clear to me the article says the Bills would trade Mahomes for White, Jones and Edmunds. Those are the guys that were picked up wholly or in part by picks from the Mahomes trade. In this regard I agree with ESPN
row_33 Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: it seems pretty clear to me the article says the Bills would trade Mahomes for White, Jones and Edmunds. Those are the guys that were picked up wholly or in part by picks from the Mahomes trade. In this regard I agree with ESPN don't bring clarity from actually reading the article 1
whatdrought Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Mahomes had 53 tds his last year in college. In an air raid system. And he was seen as a question mark. Im not arguing if Mahomes is good, he looks great. But coming in they were both great specimens with big questions about their game and what they would be at the next level. Mahomes, in his second year, has proven to be a stud. Allen has shown more in his first year than mahomes did (obviously due to opportunity) so the possibility exists that Allen could take a big jump forward like Mahomes did. Or he could not. That will really frame this question better.
DCbillsfan Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) Another way of looking at it, what numbers does Josh Allen put up in Kansas City? As good as Mahomes? Most likely not. Better than he did in Buffalo this year? Most likely yes. Mahomes has way better talent around him. No doubt. As far as the trade is concerned, writer is suggesting trading 3 starters, a qb, a LB, a CB, for one starting qb. Mahomes had a great year no doubt but this would be a dumb trade. Edited January 10, 2019 by DCbillsfan
whatdrought Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, The_Dude said: If I were given that deal and I had 1 hour to decide I'd do it. I'd trade all 3 for Mahomes. Yes. Dude makes no-look passes for cryin out loud. Jp Losman made no look passes... at least it seemed like he wasn’t looking... 1
gjv001 Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Wait, ESPN is dumb because the said Buffalo would trade for a guy who thew 50 tds in his second year? ? Mahomes had 53 tds his last year in college. Yes! First, I believe Allen is a better QB than Mahomes. The trade not only got us a better QB, but we were able to get Edmonds and White thrown in. Now if you have a different opinion that's your problem.
Shaw66 Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 I wouldn't trade the three for Mahomes. No way. I believe five years from now, probably less, Allen will be the better QB, so I don't think I'd trade even up.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: In an air raid system. And he was seen as a question mark. Im not arguing if Mahomes is good, he looks great. But coming in they were both great specimens with big questions about their game and what they would be at the next level. Mahomes, in his second year, has proven to be a stud. Allen has shown more in his first year than mahomes did (obviously due to opportunity) so the possibility exists that Allen could take a big jump forward like Mahomes did. Or he could not. That will really frame this question better. Most people came away really impressed from Mahomes’ 1st start last year. He nearly threw from 300 yards, more than any game for Allen this year. Mahomes is a really special qb. Not sure (not saying you) how it can be debated. And every other fan base would laugh at thinking Josh Allen could do the same thing in KC. Mahomes is more Peyton while Allen is more Vick (cross racial comparisons!!!). 1 minute ago, gjv001 said: Yes! First, I believe Allen is a better QB than Mahomes. The trade not only got us a better QB, but we were able to get Edmonds and White thrown in. Now if you have a different opinion that's your problem. Wow. Early happy hour? 1
The_Dude Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, whatdrought said: Jp Losman made no look passes... at least it seemed like he wasn’t looking... Fitz made a ton too. I mean Fitz would look before the snap....but not always after.
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 38 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: That's ridiculous. Man you guys pull things out of your ass on the daily. Yeah dude. Normal teams hire the coach first and then hire his friend to be the GM after. Completely normal. I’m sure Beane lays down the law. 1
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) Yeah yeah yeah Mahomes is good, but he also has a pretty fantastic supporting cast on the offensive side of the ball. I guarantee he wouldn't have the same numbers on any other team save for maybe the Rams and Saints. Edited January 10, 2019 by RaoulDuke79
The_Dude Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I wouldn't trade the three for Mahomes. No way. I believe five years from now, probably less, Allen will be the better QB, so I don't think I'd trade even up. Right now I would. Next year I hope my answer is no. Allen looks promising. Edmunds looks big and fast....and somewhat promising. Tre is a star. But star CB's aren't star QB's.
Marv's Neighbor Posted January 10, 2019 Posted January 10, 2019 Add that to the long list of things ESPN has been be wrong about.
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