Rockpile233 Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Man, for as much as I disliked about the previous two, I loved last night's episode. Agreed. I still think the Night King was rushed, but I liked this twist. I thought the Dany madness was just setting up a dramatic reversal. I never thought they’d fully commit to that path, which wound up being awesome. Arya or Jon will likely kill her (definitely thinking Arya). And seriously....Maisie Williams has been incredible this season. I loved everything they did with her escape sequence. 3
May Day 10 Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 I thought it was awesome... but Dany's 2-episode character 180 wasnt well executed. She went well beyond any previous "Mad King" for small reason (considering she was being actively provoked throughout Meereen/Slavers Bay). Maybe if they had a councilor poisoning her mind for awhile it, always being right, and earning her trust would make more sense. Aerys was going to light up King's Landing, but only to spoil the prize from an inevitable sacking by Robert and Eddard (and maybe Tywin). Dany was just killing people street by street for the hell of it after the war was already won. I also thought Jaime's trip to King's Landing was an unnecessary waste to give Cersei a disappointing dignified end. Jaime/Brienne would have been better off dying gallantly at the Battle with the Night King in an embrace and maybe sharing a kiss. Hound versus Mountain was as good as can be, especially since it was pretty much a foregone conclusion. But great that the Hound thrust them both into the fire. Will Varys' letters amount to anything? Like I mentioned. I see this almost certainly turning into a Dany/Jon/Dragon all dying, with Sansa/Tyrion/Davos emerging as the 'voice' and declaring that the realm will be restored to 7 Kingdoms again. A possible soft ending of Dragon's eggs hatching across the sea.
Heitz Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 I have a LOT of problems with last nights episode, but none more than the way Jaimie and Cersei went out. Years of build up and THAT'S how it happens? Not to mention Jaimie even making it back to Cersei period! Wasn't he like dead for a second there before rallying?? ? I also didn't like the Hound telling Arya to leave, then Cersei is like right around the corner! I mean, cooooome on! Arya's a trained killer whose entire mission is to go there and Kill Cers, but instead she bails? Not buying it. Dany somehow learns to fight the big crossbows on boat and land now? Qyburn goes out just getting tossed aside!? Again, love me some Game of Thrones, but I should have known they would run out of time. Was obvi when they spent 8 years pumping up Ice v Fire . Dead v Living. And that battle, with the Night King, the craziest enemy ever, was over in one episode... Definitely interested to see how they wrap this up in an hour and a half! 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 13, 2019 Author Posted May 13, 2019 Jamie and Cersei are both dead. + Qyburn and the Mountain are dead. + Varys dead + Which is better? Arya killing Cersei or Dany? Why were the Northern army soldiers killing wantonly and raping?
Rockpile233 Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 I didn’t think I’d like them to take Dany to full madnesses, but wound up pretty interesting. Burning the Tarlys started this, so I disagree it was a two episode 180, but I do agree it could have been built up better. I’m surprised today how many people I read that hated the ending to Jamie Cersei. Even with Jamie’s transformation he could never move on from Cersei, he always had a weakness there. I thought it was a fitting end for him. I understand wanting a worse death for Cersei, but I didn’t hate it.
Doc Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 I knew Jamie wouldn’t kill her because she was carrying his (I believe, or at least a) baby.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 13, 2019 Author Posted May 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Doc said: I knew Jamie wouldn’t kill her because she was carrying his (I believe, or at least a) baby. he led her into the tunnels while the city was falling down.... in a way he did.
TPS Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 The moral of the story: we can all come together to defeat an external existential threat, but once done we're back to us doing the exterminating (the only wise thing that Tyrion has said in the past two seasons). Might as well have been the dead that did it, but "burn them all" brings the story full circle... With Drogon, the Unsullied, and Dothraki still alive, I don't see a way to resolve the story if Dany is killed. If she survives, then she'd have to kill off her remaining rivals--Jon, Sansa, and Tyrion. They may have to pull something off completely unexpected and unbelievable to close it out. We'll see soon enough...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 12 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Who is the next King (Queen) Slayer? Brienne 3
Reed83HOF Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 3 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Man, for as much as I disliked about the previous two, I loved last night's episode. I still feel that seasons 7&8 are moving way too fast, that being said- last nights was so much better than the last 2; it was really enjoyable & well done. I get the Jamie and Cersai ending and it makes sense that their world is crumbling down on them - I still wanted to see her stabbed or throat slit or whatnot.
snafu Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, TPS said: The moral of the story: we can all come together to defeat an external existential threat, but once done we're back to us doing the exterminating (the only wise thing that Tyrion has said in the past two seasons). Might as well have been the dead that did it, but "burn them all" brings the story full circle... With Drogon, the Unsullied, and Dothraki still alive, I don't see a way to resolve the story if Dany is killed. If she survives, then she'd have to kill off her remaining rivals--Jon, Sansa, and Tyrion. They may have to pull something off completely unexpected and unbelievable to close it out. We'll see soon enough... I could see her flying off to leave Westeros to itself. All the big decisions (Night King/Euron fighting Jamie/Jamie and Cersi's deaths/quick Dany change from beneficent Queen to enraged bitter indiscriminate killer) have been somewhat underwhelming so far, why not continue the trend? Last night felt like a big eff U to the West, like Danerys was saying "if you won't embrace me, then burn and die and off I go with my dragon."
K-9 Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) Great episode. Yes, there were some stupid moments along with another major continuity gaff with the return of Jamie’s severed hand. And I was really hoping Dany’s (predictable) turn to madness wouldn’t happen, but I can understand why the writers did what they did. Dumbest scene: the Euron/Jamie fight. Just too stupid for words on every level. A waste of valuable plot time. Oh well. My favorite scene: Arya and the Hound in the Red Keep when Hound tells her to get out or she will end up like him and how that instantly registered with her. And her calling him by his given name, Sandor, and then thanking him. Good stuff. Also, I read a review and a critic mentioned that Dany’s turn toward madness was foreshadowed in season 2 when she had her vision in the House of the Undying. In it, she is in the iron throne room and it’s a burnt ruin with ash coming down (most of us thought it was snow). Also, in one of Bran’s visions, we see the ominous dark shadow of Drogon over King’s Landing. Made a lot of sense when I was reminded of that. Edited May 13, 2019 by K-9 1
CommonCents Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 It’s an impossible task, they should have never waited so long to end it. That would have kept the momentum and all these wild scenarios and expectations wouldn’t have ruined so many minds. The season has been decent, nothing great. I put HBO back on my bill just for GOT. Barring an amazing final episode, I wouldn’t have paid to watch the final season.
TPS Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, snafu said: I could see her flying off to leave Westeros to itself. All the big decisions (Night King/Euron fighting Jamie/Jamie and Cersi's deaths/quick Dany change from beneficent Queen to enraged bitter indiscriminate killer) have been somewhat underwhelming so far, why not continue the trend? Last night felt like a big eff U to the West, like Danerys was saying "if you won't embrace me, then burn and die and off I go with my dragon." Yes, I suppose she could fly home to Dario in Mereen? There has to be resolution between her and Jon and Tyrion though? Again, my expectations are tempered. It seems these last two seasons have been something like: we know where we want to go, so let's just get there and end this project. There have been fantastic episodes and filming, but the evolution of some of the characters have been as rushed as their rush to end it all. Eight is enough. 2
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 13, 2019 Author Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said: 13 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Who is the next King (Queen) Slayer? Brienne Arya Brienne is still crying her ugly mug off.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 13, 2019 Author Posted May 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, K-9 said: Also, I read a review and a critic mentioned that Dany’s turn toward madness was foreshadowed in season 2 when she had her vision in the House of the Undying. In it, she is in the iron throne room and it’s a burnt ruin with ash coming down (most of us thought it was snow). Also, in one of Bran’s visions, we see the ominous dark shadow of Drogon over King’s Landing. Made a lot of sense when I was reminded of that. Yes, to both. It could also have been snow had the NK had made it south to KL.
PIZ Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 I still say that Tyrion is a Targaryen. My guess is that he is condemned to death for letting Jamie go, and then Dany does the dracarys on Tyrion, and he is untouched. Then Dany is left speechless, staring at him and Arya comes up from behind and kills her. 2 1
Logic Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 I dug that episode. Game of Thrones has always been about moral ambiguity and shades of grey. There didn't used to be just "good guys" and "bad guys". The books (and earlier seasons of the show) delighted in skillfully showing you that no one is either all good or all bad. As the show surpassed the books, they sort of moved away from this and into black vs white, good guy vs bad guy storytelling. Well, last night's episode was a return to form when it comes to moral ambiguity in the lead characters. We all wanted to see justice finally served to Cersei on a wicked platter of some sort, a violent and memorable death. Instead we got her being held by the love of her life, with the audience left to feel only pity and sympathy for her. We all wanted to see Dany be the conquering, moral hero we've all been rooting for. Instead we treated to shot after shot after shot of the relentlessly gory and horrifying fates of the innocent people upon whom she was wreaking havoc. Jon Snow obviously was a poster child of sorts for this moral ambiguity. We saw him decide in real time what he was and wasn't loyal to, what he was and wasn't willing to do, who he really was as a person, etc. I've been critical of some episodes this season, and I share some of the concerns about the breakneck pace at which they've chosen to end this story. Last night's episode, though, I really liked. It achieved a nearly Shakespearean level of tragedy, heartbreak, and tension. Well done by Benioff and Weiss. 5
jkeerie Posted May 13, 2019 Posted May 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, TPS said: Yes, I suppose she could fly home to Dario in Mereen? There has to be resolution between her and Jon and Tyrion though? Again, my expectations are tempered. It seems these last two seasons have been something like: we know where we want to go, so let's just get there and end this project. There have been fantastic episodes and filming, but the evolution of some of the characters have been as rushed as their rush to end it all. Eight is enough. I agree with your thoughts on this...but actually eight...even a long eight, wasn't enough. That's why they ended up rushing the story. I wish they would have done a 10 episode season like they did in the other seasons. I think we would have felt more satisfied...irrespective of the final outcome. Last week Euron and his fleet and the scorpions matched up perfectly with Dany and her dragons. She was the one who looked inept riding into battle. This week, the opposite. Why? Well you needed last week's episode to push Dany over the edge. First she loses Jorah in the battle at Winterfell, then she loses Missandei to a cruel Cersei Lannister. Missandei's death pushed Greyworm over the edge as well. The only advisers she had left were Tyrion and Jon...who was more of a lover than an adviser. They both betrayed her trust. Tyrion was conflicted with the love he still had for his siblings and with the idea that they could end the last battle mercifully. Was Cersei merciful when she beheaded Missandei? No...Dany would reserve her mercy for the next generation. Jon with his true identity could no longer return the love that Dany felt for him. He did love her, but now there is a line he couldn't cross. He'll bend the knee but don't ask for anything more. So...if Dany couldn't have love...or mercy...fear and hate were the only paths she could see moving forward. My favorite scene was between Arya and the Hound. The Hound found love finally...as much as he could ever love anyone...and it was the love he felt for Arya. His love for her convinced her to let go of the hate she had been carrying since the first season. She learned and that expression of gratitude was beautifully done. I agree that the fight between Euron and Jaime was cartoonish...but they had to come up with an ending for Euron. Jaime died the way he wanted to...in the arms of the woman he loved. Many of us had presumed it would be on the battlefield with Brienne. Cersei was always his first love. Quite honestly...after all the cruelty Cersei had demonstrated throughout the seasons, she actually died to "mercifully," in the arms of her brother/lover with all her machinations causing the world she built to crash in around her. There was no cruel but just "surprise" that we had all envisioned. Next week's episode will be very interesting. The only thing that was set up this week is that Dany is nuts...Oh sh***t! 2 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 13, 2019 Author Posted May 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, PIZ said: I still say that Tyrion is a Targaryen. My guess is that he is condemned to death for letting Jamie go, and then Dany does the dracarys on Tyrion, and he is untouched. Then Dany is left speechless, staring at him and Arya comes up from behind and kills her. I don't want to see Dinklage little Peter 15 minutes ago, jkeerie said: I agree that the fight between Euron and Jaime was cartoonish...but they had to come up with an ending for Euron. Burning alive on his ship would have been sufficient 1
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