SinceThe70s Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, row_33 said: What was the purpose of attacking a participation trophy? seemed a poor attempt at cynical wittiness by people who didn’t play sports My theory is it's the parents who are planning out little Johnny or Jenna's sports scholarship before their kid ever sets foot on a field. 3
row_33 Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: My theory is it's the parents who are planning out little Johnny or Jenna's sports scholarship before their kid ever sets foot on a field. I guess boomers thought they were Einstein for seeing through the pointlessness of it all? Their youth was over so they would take out all their mind games on the next generatiion.
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 Yes. Society today is raising hyper-competitive monsters too early. We need to back away from.zero-sum game playing. 16 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: My theory is it's the parents who are planning out little Johnny or Jenna's sports scholarship before their kid ever sets foot on a field. Yep... It's killing the system. 4 hours ago, Augie said: I got orange slices. What more could you ask for??? Not getting scurvy? ? 2
Augie Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yes. Society today is raising hyper-competitive monsters too early. We need to back away from.zero-sum game playing. Yep... It's killing the system. Not getting scurvy? ? Some of these sports parents have something worse than scurvy. It gets INSANE! ....but I’m doing much better now. ? 1 1
LeGOATski Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 Participation trophies aren't the problem. It's not keeping the score that's the problem. We still tell our kids "your team won/lost" at the end of the game, if they can't tell already. Some of the kids still keep score during the game themselves. 3 1
Doc Brown Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 As long as they still give out 1st place trophies then there's nothing wrong with it. Kids know whether their team was good or not. 1
row_33 Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: As long as they still give out 1st place trophies then there's nothing wrong with it. Kids know whether their team was good or not. who is doing the complaining about it? to go back to an older reality, the hippies or crew-cut America?
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, row_33 said: who is doing the complaining about it? to go back to an older reality, the hippies or crew-cut America? Millennials are so fooged up they are like a wild hybrid between the two. Like a Steven Wright joke: "I bought a dog the other day. I named him Stay. It's fun to call him. "Come here, Stay! Come here, Stay!" He went insane. Now he just ignores me and keeps typing. He's an East German Shepherd." 2 1 1
SinceThe70s Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Participation trophies aren't the problem. It's not keeping the score that's the problem. We still tell our kids "your team won/lost" at the end of the game, if they can't tell already. Some of the kids still keep score during the game themselves. No doubt. I saw that on a team I managed. Sometimes they'd ask me after the game who won even though we didn't keep track and there was no bigger trophy to be had. Kids were more than ready for the next step.
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said: No doubt. I saw that on a team I managed. Sometimes they'd ask me after the game who won even though we didn't keep track and there was no bigger trophy to be had. Kids were more than ready for the next step. Yeah... IMO, their other development is not. What age are we talking?
SinceThe70s Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Yeah... IMO, their other development is not. What age are we talking? 8 year olds. It was baseball and they'd had two years of T-Ball/Coach Pitch and it was the first year they "pitched" on their own (it was torturous). The next year (9 and 10 year olds) there were standings and playoffs.
Nextmanup Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 11 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: Participation trophies are pointless. They can prevent kids from finding what they're good at and can succeed at based on actual merits. You don't need a trophy or medal to know what you are good or bad at. When it comes to important topics of concern facing the USA in 2019, participation trophies in youth athletics is not very important. 78% of American workers live pay check to pay check. 71% of American workers are in debt. 65% of Americans have less than $5,000 in a financial account, with many having 0 in a financial account. Those are just a few topics of much greater concern IMO. 1
row_33 Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 5 hours ago, SinceThe70s said: 8 year olds. It was baseball and they'd had two years of T-Ball/Coach Pitch and it was the first year they "pitched" on their own (it was torturous). The next year (9 and 10 year olds) there were standings and playoffs. Thank you for taking your free time to help kids play in that tortured phase of the game, takes a lot of patience and kindness and leadership. 5 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Millennials are so fooged up they are like a wild hybrid between the two. They will be fine, just as every generation before them. 2
Gugny Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 14 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: Participation trophies are pointless. They can prevent kids from finding what they're good at and can succeed at based on actual merits. Bad parenting prevents kids from finding what they're good at and can succeed at based on actual merits. Participation trophies do nothing but recognize a child for participating, aka trying, aka not quitting. It's up to the child's parents to help the child understand the bigger picture. 2
unbillievable Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) Participation trophies/medals are just souvenirs. That's their sentimental value. People/kids don't actual think they accomplished something, but we keep them to remind us that we got off the couch that one time... 5 hours ago, Nextmanup said: 78% of American workers live pay check to pay check. 71% of American workers are in debt. 65% of Americans have less than $5,000 in a financial account, with many having 0 in a financial account. Since those problems occur across class lines, it's clearly an education problem. I always found it ridiculous that 25% of my college credits had to be in the humanities, but those liberal arts kids didn't have to take any math/science classes. It's more important to spot a metaphor than to balance a budget. Edited January 7, 2019 by unbillievable
teef Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 sure. why not. it let's kids know they were part of a team and followed through with a season. it's for small kids. when the game gets competitive, then no, but it could be a first "accomplishment" they carry through with. i have a 3 and a half year old daughter that was given a medal because she finished gymnastics. she was so pumped about it she showed everyone. what kind of person would want to take that away. we got them in pop warner football as kids. no one cared, nor did they give anyone a false sense of accomplishment. people make way too much over this nonsense. 2
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 4 hours ago, row_33 said: They will be fine, just as every generation before them. Of course. Even the Puritans worried about their Kid's generation going to hell in a handbasket.
May Day 10 Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) We got them, from the mid-eightees when I started in youth sports. We would all get little trophies with our team/season. It made me happy. The "championship" team would get a set of larger trophies. We never felt like we "won it all" because we got the small plastic trophies". In like 20-25 years of baseball, I never was on a team who won a league championship. We knew who won. We all wanted to win, despite knowing we would get the trophies. Mainly thinking of baseball and hockey. I think they stopped when we were like 14, which is fine. My kid is 5 right now and plays instructional hockey and baseball. They don't keep score, and they get a trophies after every season and my kid carries it around like the stanley cup and they sit on his dresser. He also is competitive as hell and is obsessed about winning, scores, etc. I don't think the 2 are related. I also think keeping score at the ages of 4-7 would be somewhat destructive. Edited January 7, 2019 by May Day 10 2
row_33 Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Of course. Even the Puritans worried about their Kid's generation going to hell in a handbasket. I try to steer every one of them to STEM studies where possible. Few care about math. 2 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: We got them, from the mid-eightees when I started in youth sports. We would all get little trophies with our team/season. It made me happy. The "championship" team would get a set of larger trophies. In like 20-25 years of baseball, I never was on a team who won a league championship. We knew who won. We all wanted to win, despite knowing we would get the trophies. Mainly thinking of baseball and hockey. I think they stopped when we were like 14, which is fine. My kid is 5 right now and plays instructional hockey and baseball. They don't keep score, and they get a trophies after every season and my kid carries it around like the stanley cup and they sit on his dresser. He also is competitive as hell and is obsessed about winning, scores, etc. I don't think the 2 are related. I also think keeping score at the ages of 4-7 would be somewhat destructive. You are on the right track!
Keukasmallies Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 Trophies, awards, special recognition should be given to those who accomplish something beyond the general expectation level for the activity. Presenting an award for showing up most of the time could be seen as detracting from the award given for outstanding effort/accomplishment.
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