The_Dude Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: In 2006, the Democrats didn't fully understand Frost. Now they do. Hopefully, the Republicans will come around and get literate: Mending Wall Something there is that doesn't love a wall, That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it, And spills the upper boulders in the sun; And makes gaps even two can pass abreast. The work of hunters is another thing: I have come after them and made repair Where they have left not one stone on a stone, But they would have the rabbit out of hiding, To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean, No one has seen them made or heard them made, But at spring mending-time we find them there. I let my neighbour know beyond the hill; And on a day we meet to walk the line And set the wall between us once again. We keep the wall between us as we go. To each the boulders that have fallen to each. And some are loaves and some so nearly balls We have to use a spell to make them balance: "Stay where you are until our backs are turned!" We wear our fingers rough with handling them. Oh, just another kind of out-door game, One on a side. It comes to little more: There where it is we do not need the wall: He is all pine and I am apple orchard. My apple trees will never get across And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him. He only says, "Good fences make good neighbours." Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder If I could put a notion in his head: "Why do they make good neighbours? Isn't it Where there are cows? But here there are no cows. Before I built a wall I'd ask to know What I was walling in or walling out, And to whom I was like to give offence. Something there is that doesn't love a wall, That wants it down." I could say "Elves" to him, But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather He said it for himself. I see him there Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed. He moves in darkness as it seems to me, Not of woods only and the shade of trees. He will not go behind his father's saying, And he likes having thought of it so well He says again, "Good fences make good neighbours." ~Robert Frost You want to dictate policy based on a freaking poem? That’s remarkably gay. And just stupid. Maybe put down your poem books and begin reading history books? 2
Tiberius Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, The_Dude said: You want to dictate policy based on a freaking poem? That’s remarkably gay. And just stupid. Maybe put down your poem books and begin reading history books? Like book about failed walls? The Berlin Wall: A World Divided, 1961-1989: Frederick ... - Amazon.com https://www.amazon.com/Berlin-Wall-World-Divided-1961-1989/dp/0060786140 The Berlin Wall: The History and Legacy of the World's Most Notorious Wall .... this book, as well as thehistory that I learned about Germany and Berlin - both ...
The_Dude Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Like book about failed walls? The Berlin Wall: A World Divided, 1961-1989: Frederick ... - Amazon.com https://www.amazon.com/Berlin-Wall-World-Divided-1961-1989/dp/0060786140 The Berlin Wall: The History and Legacy of the World's Most Notorious Wall .... this book, as well as thehistory that I learned about Germany and Berlin - both ... That wall didn’t fail. It was incredibly successful. So was the Soviet policy on shooting people jumping it. Horrible point, Tibs. If you want a bad wall use the chinese one.
Tiberius Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, The_Dude said: That wall didn’t fail. It was incredibly successful. So was the Soviet policy on shooting people jumping it. Horrible point, Tibs. If you want a bad wall use the chinese one. Ok fine, it was a "successful" wall at doing something really stupid. Someday there will not be a border between us and Mexico. And everything will be fine.
Deranged Rhino Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Ok fine, it was a "successful" wall at doing something really stupid. Someday there will not be a border between us and Mexico. And everything will be fine. Wait, this is an evolution in your position... are you of the opinion now that all borders are unnecessary and immoral?
Tiberius Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Wait, this is an evolution in your position... are you of the opinion now that all borders are unnecessary and immoral? no, not all, but economic forces are making certain ones unnecessary and economically inefficient
outsidethebox Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: no, not all, but economic forces are making certain ones unnecessary and economically inefficient Can you back that up with some facts?
Dante Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Taxes are the funding. Pull everyone back out of the mideast and we can fund the wall and a lot more cool stuff! 3 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Nancy wants $12B for "international affairs". How about she gets $7B and the wall - for national security - gets $5B? This is a first for me. What the hell is "international affairs"? Sounds like money for buddies or another wealth redistribution scam again.
keepthefaith Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dante said: Pull everyone back out of the mideast and we can fund the wall and a lot more cool stuff! This is a first for me. What the hell is "international affairs"? Sounds like money for buddies or another wealth redistribution scam again. Loosely defined money in budgets is loosely spent.
outsidethebox Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 How did we let our government become so corrupt? It's a tragedy what we've become. This country needs a serious revolution.
whatdrought Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 29 minutes ago, westside said: Can you back that up with some facts? I don’t think you understand who you’re talking to... 2
Warren Zevon Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 In 2006 the Dems asked for the wall in a compromise to get comprehensive immigration reform. Neither thing happened.
The_Dude Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 53 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Ok fine, it was a "successful" wall at doing something really stupid. Someday there will not be a border between us and Mexico. And everything will be fine. Yes, the wall was stupid in that case because it divided a people that were united. It split a country. And it defended socialism. So that wall was stupid, but successful. There will always be borders until there's a one world order. My god, do you think that last line is prophetic or progressive?
Tiberius Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Yes, the wall was stupid in that case because it divided a people that were united. It split a country. And it defended socialism. So that wall was stupid, but successful. There will always be borders until there's a one world order. My god, do you think that last line is prophetic or progressive? Both? Who knows what the world will be like in 50, 100 or 200 years? 100 years the French and Germans were murdering each other on a mass scale, now they share an economic union.
The_Dude Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: Both? Who knows what the world will be like in 50, 100 or 200 years? 100 years the French and Germans were murdering each other on a mass scale, now they share an economic union. Well I can reasonably assume there will be borders because I can point to borders going back to the Bronze Age. Also, their economic union has led to nothing other than their now being murdered by immigrants.
Tiberius Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Well I can reasonably assume there will be borders because I can point to borders going back to the Bronze Age. Also, their economic union has led to nothing other than their now being murdered by immigrants. The borders of today are fewer. The nations states we have today unite areas that use to be at war. Consolidation is the trend
keepthefaith Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: The borders of today are fewer. The nations states we have today unite areas that use to be at war. Consolidation is the trend Brexit
Foxx Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Yes, the wall was stupid in that case because it divided a people that were united. It split a country. And it defended socialism. So that wall was stupid, but successful. There will always be borders until there's a one world order. My god, do you think that last line is prophetic or progressive? even after there is a one world order, the progressive libs will want to eliminate the Kármán line.
The_Dude Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The borders of today are fewer. The nations states we have today unite areas that use to be at war. Consolidation is the trend You're going to start seeing increasing concern for borders, not less. 1 minute ago, Foxx said: even after there is a one world order, the progressive libs will want to eliminate the Kármán line. I had to Google that. I'm not a man of science. I thought whatever that was must be akin to something like the Hindenburg Line. I was off a bit. 1
Tiberius Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, The_Dude said: You're going to start seeing increasing concern for borders, not less. In the short term, maybe. 18 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Brexit Look at all the economic integration just since WW2. Brexit, if it ever happens, will be just a blip.
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