mead107 Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/2006-secure-fence-act-vs-trumps-border-wall
Tiberius Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 Quote "No one thought in 2006 that they were voting for a wall because the President of the United States thought that Mexican immigrants were 'rapists,'" he said. "That remark at the start of his [Trump's] campaign really colors everything about this debate. Even if you agree it should be done for other reasons, it makes it really hard to get on board with this president." Well, when you start scapegoating people with wickedly evil slurs and slanders, it kind of changes things, doesn't it? Also from your link (Did you even read it?): Quote In exchange for the votes on border security and border infrastructure under the Secure Fence Act, President George W. Bush promised Democrats a shot at comprehensive immigration reform. In the years that followed, more than 650 of the 700 miles of fencing was built. Democrats also voted to double the number of Customs and Border Protection agents in a short time, but comprehensive immigration reform never happened.
ALF Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 Massive borrowing to fund the tax cut , means no money left in the cookie jar also. 1
4merper4mer Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, ALF said: Massive borrowing to fund the tax cut , means no money left in the cookie jar also. Fund a tax cut?
ALF Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Fund a tax cut? make up for the shortfall in the budget
Gary M Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, ALF said: make up for the shortfall in the budget Because there are no programs that could be cut?
ALF Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gary M said: Because there are no programs that could be cut? A small fraction of that tax cut could have funded air tight border security jmo
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 The people impacted by illegal immigration---those on both sides of the border--be it by trafficking, assault, death, etc are simply political capital to many of our elected leaders. The lives lost and families devastated are simply collateral damage. In that regard, nothing has really changed. Of course, the economic impact of 10-30m people here under the radar, the strain on our entitlement programs, medical and education institutions etc is a massive problem as well. Bottom line, and its not just a democrat problem, is that politicians barter with welfare of the country for power and money.
Buffalo_Gal Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 17 minutes ago, ALF said: A small fraction of that tax cut could have funded air tight border security jmo Nancy wants $12B for "international affairs". How about she gets $7B and the wall - for national security - gets $5B?
Gary M Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, mead107 said: https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/2006-secure-fence-act-vs-trumps-border-wall
4merper4mer Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 30 minutes ago, ALF said: make up for the shortfall in the budget Taxes are the funding.
outsidethebox Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Nancy wants $12B for "international affairs". How about she gets $7B and the wall - for national security - gets $5B? What is "international affairs" and hy does it need 12B???
keepthefaith Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 That was before they realized they could turn AZ and TX blue. It's a mission.
Swill Merchant Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, ALF said: Massive borrowing to fund the tax cut , means no money left in the cookie jar also. No serious person accepts this position. $5b is a large sum for a major corporation, and a tremendous amount for a private company, but it's minor expenditure to the federal government. The financial argument against the wall is incredibly weak.
Buffalo_Gal Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, westside said: What is "international affairs" and hy does it need 12B??? ?♀️ The new $200 hammer? A way to enrich friends and family? A catch-all slush fund? Your guess is as good as mine. 1
The_Dude Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 Because of cuckolds. All white liberals are cockolds. Their desire now is to repent for racism by cuckolding our history, and western values to anything and everything that stands against them. That’s why they advocate for socialism. That’s why schumer is concerned about ramping up the numbers of non-Caucasian immigrants. They seek to destroy everything that made America great.
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 In 2006, the Democrats didn't fully understand Frost. Now they do. Hopefully, the Republicans will come around and get literate: Mending Wall Something there is that doesn't love a wall, That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it, And spills the upper boulders in the sun; And makes gaps even two can pass abreast. The work of hunters is another thing: I have come after them and made repair Where they have left not one stone on a stone, But they would have the rabbit out of hiding, To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean, No one has seen them made or heard them made, But at spring mending-time we find them there. I let my neighbour know beyond the hill; And on a day we meet to walk the line And set the wall between us once again. We keep the wall between us as we go. To each the boulders that have fallen to each. And some are loaves and some so nearly balls We have to use a spell to make them balance: "Stay where you are until our backs are turned!" We wear our fingers rough with handling them. Oh, just another kind of out-door game, One on a side. It comes to little more: There where it is we do not need the wall: He is all pine and I am apple orchard. My apple trees will never get across And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him. He only says, "Good fences make good neighbours." Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder If I could put a notion in his head: "Why do they make good neighbours? Isn't it Where there are cows? But here there are no cows. Before I built a wall I'd ask to know What I was walling in or walling out, And to whom I was like to give offence. Something there is that doesn't love a wall, That wants it down." I could say "Elves" to him, But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather He said it for himself. I see him there Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed. He moves in darkness as it seems to me, Not of woods only and the shade of trees. He will not go behind his father's saying, And he likes having thought of it so well He says again, "Good fences make good neighbours." ~Robert Frost
Foxx Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: In 2006, the Democrats didn't fully understand Frost. Now they do. Hopefully, the Republicans will come around and get literate: Mending Wall Something there is that doesn't love a wall, That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it, And spills the upper boulders in the sun; And makes gaps even two can pass abreast. The work of hunters is another thing: I have come after them and made repair Where they have left not one stone on a stone, But they would have the rabbit out of hiding, To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean, No one has seen them made or heard them made, But at spring mending-time we find them there. I let my neighbour know beyond the hill; And on a day we meet to walk the line And set the wall between us once again. We keep the wall between us as we go. To each the boulders that have fallen to each. And some are loaves and some so nearly balls We have to use a spell to make them balance: "Stay where you are until our backs are turned!" We wear our fingers rough with handling them. Oh, just another kind of out-door game, One on a side. It comes to little more: There where it is we do not need the wall: He is all pine and I am apple orchard. My apple trees will never get across And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him. He only says, "Good fences make good neighbours." Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder If I could put a notion in his head: "Why do they make good neighbours? Isn't it Where there are cows? But here there are no cows. Before I built a wall I'd ask to know What I was walling in or walling out, And to whom I was like to give offence. Something there is that doesn't love a wall, That wants it down." I could say "Elves" to him, But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather He said it for himself. I see him there Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed. He moves in darkness as it seems to me, Not of woods only and the shade of trees. He will not go behind his father's saying, And he likes having thought of it so well He says again, "Good fences make good neighbours." ~Robert Frost much like the 'apple orchard,' it depends upon your definition of 'cows'. knowing where 'boundaries' are is a good thing. thus, good fences make good neighbors. Edited January 4, 2019 by Foxx
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